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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:27 PM
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What is your impression/opinion of the Walker phone call?
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 12:29 PM by CoffeeCat
I listened to the phone call of Wisconsin governor Walker chatting it up with the fake Koch Brother. I am wondering
what others thought of the call.

Will this hurt Walker? Do you consider the conversations in the call illuminating? Revealing?

I am not trying to rain on this parade, but I didn't hear a whole lot of anything that could be considered a game changer.

I think it's terrible that these corrupt Koch Brothers have the influence that they do. I also think the Koch Brothers
donated campaign funds to Walker, to get special treatment. They'll probably be getting some sweetheart deals on some
energy investments in the state of Wisconsin--if the rumors bear out. I don't like the dalliances between Walker
and Koch. It's stinks.

I also heard "Koch" suggest to Walker that they install trouble-making protesters and Walker suggested that this
was considered. However, Walker backed off from it, and said they weren't doing that.

I didn't hear anything that could be considered a game changer for the courageous union members in Wisconsin.

Maybe I missed something.

I'd love to hear others' impressions or opinions of the call.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:29 PM
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1. It shows he is working with the Koch bothers
- i.e. it is about corporations and not the budget.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:39 PM
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11. LISTEN on YouTube HERE:
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:31 PM
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2. I think
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 12:32 PM by plcdude
the fact that the Govenor of the State of Wisconsin can so informally discuss the public's business with a non-resident of the State demonstrates clearly whose pocket he dwells in. It is totally unprofessional.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:35 PM
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9. I agree with that...
The discussion demonstrates that there is corporate interest in this issue. That conservative politicians are partnered
with very affluent, rich corporate owners to take away collective bargaining and bust unions.

The willingness of our politicians to work against the average worker---in order to enrich the corporations--shows
corruption.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:32 PM
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3. What you missed is the familiarity with which Walker spoke to
"Koch". It showed close association with him and his willingness to tell "Koch" the details of his plans also revealed the closeness of the goverment leader to a corporate leader, beyond money given for the campaign. Walker was holding up his end of his "bargain".
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:57 PM
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23. Proves they are in bed together -- Full-on RepubliFORNICATION
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 12:59 PM by SpiralHawk
Don't it say something somewhere in the Byble about Fornicators, and Sayyyytun, and Roasting Righteously in Helllllll for Eeeternutty?
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:32 PM
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4. I think it is disgusting and dismaying, how easily and freely he shared what was going on and the
plans he had for Senate Democrats, with an outside entity. It exposed him for the tool and bootlicker he is.

If you need that spelled out for you, well, there it is.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:32 PM
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5. Besides being totally owned by Koch Bros...
I found Walker to be extremely stubborn and cynical.
He will have to be resoundingly beaten.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:33 PM
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6. The whole thing dripped "quid pro quo".
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:34 PM
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7. What I'm hearing on the Ed Shultz radio show is that Walker
mentioned Reagan's "big political victory" -- not presidential, but political -- as breaking the unions, ala PATCO.

This, IMO, looks VERY bad, showing him as a premeditated union buster and more..
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:53 PM
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21. He said that Reagan brought down the wall
when he broke the unions. I was in a state of stunned incredulity that he would say that.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 03:21 PM
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26. Yep....I believe he made some
creepy analogy about union "walls" and the Berlin Wall, as in

unions being "commie".:eyes:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:57 PM
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24. I agree that this was revealing as well...
Walker practically salivates with hero-worship for Ronald Reagan and how he fired the air-traffic controllers.

Sounded like Walker sees himself in a "defining moment, similar to the position in which Reagan found himself.

I agree, Walkers words during the conversation make it a bit more clear that this is about breaking the unions
and the defeat that this would mean for the unions.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 03:26 PM
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27. Yes..I think this could be a defining moment for us...
Ed is going to feature it on MSNBC tonite.

It may just have "legs", if you will, especially since Walker is saying

"I'm not a union buster, I'm a budget balancer", or some such.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:34 PM
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8. Revealing: Walker saying "your man on the ground" tells us a lot about what
is happening, who is involved, and who is connected to whom.

So, who is Koch's "man on the ground" in Wisconsin? And why does walker know what he is up to?
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Roy Ellefson Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:37 PM
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Kept man
The simple fact that he was willing to take a 20 minute call from one of the Koch brothers while refusing to negotiate or even talk to Democratic Senators should be enough to bring him down. He's a kept man, that's obvious and this is a national republican conspiracy.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:46 PM
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16. Excellent point! Koch gets more attention than Wisconsin's elected representatives.
Walker reports to Koch - not to the people of Wisconsin.
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:37 PM
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10. What phone call? Link?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:39 PM
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12. Walker spent 20 minutes on the phone with who he thought was a Koch brother.
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:42 PM
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14. Thanks!
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:40 PM
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13. It didn't go far enough, and probably won't be damaging.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:45 PM
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15. Another example of USA, Inc. at work for "we the corporations" not "we the
people."
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:46 PM
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17. Walker admitted that he had considered sending troublemakers into the crowd
and said that he had dismissed the idea only out of concern that it might backfire.

I think the fact that he considered it is in itself a huge part of the story, but no one seems to be talking about it.

Another important thing is that, after slamming the Dems for allegedly accepting room and board from union supporters, he himself enthusiastically accepted the offer of room, board, and transportation from "Koch".
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:50 PM
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19. I agree
also that he is a bootlicker.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:51 PM
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20. "thanks a million" indeed
the Governor is a paid stooge
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:50 PM
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18. The media will decide whether or not this is important.
I'm betting they decide it's not important. I'm also betting that if it were an official of one of the unions involved talking to some "outsider", it would be a top news story for days. But, then, the media is also in bed with Koch, and so, indirectly, with Walker.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:55 PM
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22. He stayed on script
He wasn't baited. No harm, no foul.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:59 PM
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25. i'm very impressed by the prankster
he gets a ten from me for both concept and execution. :toast:
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