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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:31 PM
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Obama: DOMA Unconstitutional, DOJ Should Stop Defending In Court
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/obama-doma-unconstitutional_n_827134.html

President Obama has determined that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional, and that the Department of Justice should no longer defend the measure, which severely limits the potential of states to honor or carry out same-sex marriages, in court.

"The President believes that DOMA is unconstitutional. They are no longer going to be defending the cases in the 1st and 2nd circuits," a person briefed on the decision said, according to the National Journal.

More to come...




About damn time!

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:33 PM
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1. Great, but confusing - I was told by many that Obama has no choice
but to enforce and fight for laws that even the judiciary (other than SCOTUS) decides are unconstitutional.

Strange.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:41 PM
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5. Put this one in the "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth category?" nt
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:47 PM
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10. Even stranger yet...
I was told that Obama is so far right and out of touch with the left that he would never do this. Crazy huh?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:51 PM
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12. Has to have the right circumstances involved - previous cases already
had settled law - if he didn't defend, the GOP would probably try to impeach him - he's not going to give them any ammo to do that with.

The referenced case now doesn't have any settled law from previous court decisions, so it gives the Admin a different playing field - they could come out and say that it's unconstitutional and not defend it since they aren't going against a court ruling.

By saying that gays are routinely discriminated against and deserve "heightened scrutiny" it shifts the entire burden of proof - previously it would be assumed by the court that there was an underlying government interest in discriminating and gays/lesbians going to court had to prove that there wasn't.

Now, under heightened scrutiny, anti-gay groups will have to prove that there is some overriding reason to have a law that discriminates.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:13 PM
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24. +1...
different situations open up a different set of options.

:thumbsup:

Sid
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:32 PM
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19. The DOJ does indeed have the "duty to defend" no matter who is in the White House.
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 01:32 PM by TheWraith
For good reason, since you don't want a Republican to come in and order them to stop defending the Civil Rights Act or something.

Obama is essentially bending the rules here to short-circuit the appeal process, exploiting the most recent court case as defining "settled law," as well as putting down any arguments that they're abrogating their responsibility by allowing Congress to take up the role of defender if they so choose. In essence, he's letting the DOJ do the minimum amount that will allow him to get away with bending the rules.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:33 PM
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2. I am starting to think he keeps these things up his sleeve and pulls them out
when things are crazy (like the union fights going on now)
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:34 PM
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3. And yet
The oil drilling moratorium in the gulf was found unconstitutional. The moratorium continues.

The Health care bill was found unconstitutional and implementation continues.


Something doesn't seem very consistent here.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:47 PM
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22. That's not quite accurate.
A lower court can find something "unconstitutional" all they want, but it's not going to stop nationwide instantly. Usually there's an automatic hold placed on any such rulings until a higher court can examine it.
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:53 PM
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26. Negative.
The ruling is affective in that courts jurisdiction unless there is an appeal made and granted.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:36 PM
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4. Bad idea
Obama is saying anytime any president personally deems a law unconstitutional they can refuse to enforce it.

With the repeal of DADT we are making gains. We can win this and we will but the president is telling every republican president that comes after him to ignore every progressive legislative act they claim is unconstitutional.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:43 PM
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7. Not ignore, just not defend in court. And, this is not new,
according to Holder.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:53 PM
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13. So, when President Pawlenty
is elected, he will not defend the Affordable Care Act in court (saying that it is unconstitutional and cannot be defended), the federal government will default in all the lawsuits against it, and the Affordable Care Act will be thrown out. That's fine with you?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:01 PM
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15. This isn't a new option for a president to take.
The DoJ not defending it doesn't mean it won't be defended. Congress can defend it, or another party could take it on.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:43 PM
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8. Statement from the DOJ...
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/February/11-ag-222.html

Statement of the Attorney General on Litigation Involving the Defense of Marriage Act

WASHINGTON – The Attorney General made the following statement today about the Department’s course of action in two lawsuits, Pedersen v. OPM and Windsor v. United States, challenging Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage for federal purposes as only between a man and a woman:



In the two years since this Administration took office, the Department of Justice has defended Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act on several occasions in federal court. Each of those cases evaluating Section 3 was considered in jurisdictions in which binding circuit court precedents hold that laws singling out people based on sexual orientation, as DOMA does, are constitutional if there is a rational basis for their enactment. While the President opposes DOMA and believes it should be repealed, the Department has defended it in court because we were able to advance reasonable arguments under that rational basis standard.



Section 3 of DOMA has now been challenged in the Second Circuit, however, which has no established or binding standard for how laws concerning sexual orientation should be treated. In these cases, the Administration faces for the first time the question of whether laws regarding sexual orientation are subject to the more permissive standard of review or whether a more rigorous standard, under which laws targeting minority groups with a history of discrimination are viewed with suspicion by the courts, should apply.



After careful consideration, including a review of my recommendation, the President has concluded that given a number of factors, including a documented history of discrimination, classifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny. The President has also concluded that Section 3 of DOMA, as applied to legally married same-sex couples, fails to meet that standard and is therefore unconstitutional. Given that conclusion, the President has instructed the Department not to defend the statute in such cases. I fully concur with the President’s determination.



Consequently, the Department will not defend the constitutionality of Section 3 of DOMA as applied to same-sex married couples in the two cases filed in the Second Circuit. We will, however, remain parties to the cases and continue to represent the interests of the United States throughout the litigation. I have informed Members of Congress of this decision, so Members who wish to defend the statute may pursue that option. The Department will also work closely with the courts to ensure that Congress has a full and fair opportunity to participate in pending litigation.



Furthermore, pursuant to the President ’ s instructions, and upon further notification to Congress, I will instruct Department attorneys to advise courts in other pending DOMA litigation of the President's and my conclusions that a heightened standard should apply, that Section 3 is unconstitutional under that standard and that the Department will cease defense of Section 3.



The Department has a longstanding practice of defending the constitutionality of duly-enacted statutes if reasonable arguments can be made in their defense. At the same time, the Department in the past has declined to defend statutes despite the availability of professionally responsible arguments, in part because – as here – the Department does not consider every such argument to be a “reasonable” one. Moreover, the Department has declined to defend a statute in cases, like this one, where the President has concluded that the statute is unconstitutional.



Much of the legal landscape has changed in the 15 years since Congress passed DOMA. The Supreme Court has ruled that laws criminalizing homosexual conduct are unconstitutional. Congress has repealed the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy. Several lower courts have ruled DOMA itself to be unconstitutional. Section 3 of DOMA will continue to remain in effect unless Congress repeals it or there is a final judicial finding that strikes it down, and the President has informed me that the Executive Branch will continue to enforce the law. But while both the wisdom and the legality of Section 3 of DOMA will continue to be the subject of both extensive litigation and public debate, this Administration will no longer assert its constitutionality in court.


Sounds like a complicated situation, and changing conditions presented the opportunity for a different response.

Sid
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:46 PM
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9. Didn't DOMA already lose in court?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:07 PM
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18. You may be thinking of CA's Prop H8
still under appeal.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:36 PM
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21. It's lost in a couple lower court cases. They haven't had a SCOTUS case. nt
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:49 PM
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11. Like HCR
Mark my words.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:37 PM
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25. You know, I wanted to mention HCR but
I so resent being sold to the insurance companies for filthy campaign lucre I can't bring myself to complain.

Yes, I'm a terrible, terrible hypocrite, I know. I'm a bad girl.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:36 PM
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20. What you describe is exactly why the POTUS isn't actually supposed to do this.
It's supposed to be the sole discretion of the DOJ to determine when they've exhausted their arguments. However, Obama's exploiting the most recent case ruling to define "settled law" and the constitutionality of the case,

Bad precedent? Technically, yeah, it is, on some level. But he's doing everything possible to minimize that precedent, not least by insuring that members of Congress can still defend the law if they so choose. It's slightly dangerous, but Obama has a pretty good record on strategy, so I trust him here.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:42 PM
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6. They won't my lovely thing just tweeted
breaking from MNSNBC
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:54 PM
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14. Civil rights should not be up to the whims of the president or any politician.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:05 PM
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16. Fanfreakingtastic!!!
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 01:06 PM by madamesilverspurs
DOMA was the signature legislation pushed by my erstwhile representative, Marilyn Musgrave. Proving herself utterly classless, she never conceded the race, never thanked her staff, never finished paying her campaign bills, and donated leftover campaign funds to the Susan B. Anthony List where she now works. It is thus entirely fitting that her DOMA is pronounced DOA.

On a personal note:

Dear Marilyn,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:06 PM
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17. worse than hitler
.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:48 PM
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23. K and R (nt)
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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 02:58 PM
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27. I agree that DOMA is wrong.
And should have been repealed yesterday.

However, when the Obama administration appealed a recent decision overturning DADT (and in fact filed an emergency motion to prevent it from being implemented), we were treated to long arguments as to why the administration was compelled to do so. They don't get to choose which laws to enforce, we were told.

So what's the story now? Did they appeal the DADT decision because they had to, or because they wanted to? Do they have similar freedom for other laws?
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