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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 03:56 PM
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Seriously, this economy is not getting any better. Some improvement at the edges is meaningless.
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 04:02 PM by Stinky The Clown
Is the time to be attacking the deficit? Or is the time to double down and spend BIG money (a la FDR) and put people to work?

They're talking about budget cuts in Congress and at the state level. The deficit is over a million million dollars ($1T). That's a thousand billion. They're talking about 61 billion in cuts. That's 6 tenths of one percent, which is pissing into the wind from a budget perspective. Meanwhile, the cuts proposed in that 0.06% will deeply affect - in very bad ways - real people.

Why are we talking about deficits now?




edit to move the decimal 1 place to the left.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 03:58 PM
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1. One thing we have to do
whichever way we decide to go--is to go ALL IN.
Half-assed either way doesn't improve things at all.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 03:59 PM
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2. If oil continues to rise like this
the economy is going to start to decline again.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 03:59 PM
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3. no no no-- the financial sector reports that business is booming and profits...
...are up up up! Happy days are back! Go shopping, citizen!
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:00 PM
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4. Because DEFICITS are the excuse to gut the social programs the GOP and "ownership class" have been
against since they help PEOPLE. The PTB want all people (except them) to be permanent underclass and grovel for scarps. Are you just NOW figuring that out?
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:01 PM
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5. what is needed is a major war,
to revive the economy as well as to rejuvenate the culture. great problems aren't solved with pretty speeches or printing money, they are solved with blood and iron.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:02 PM
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6. Hey we have a couple going on
in case you are jonesing to pick up a gun?
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:05 PM
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7. i mean a real, conventional war that mobilizes the entire society
not some waste of time counterinsurgency crap.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:19 PM
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9. So--who we going to have our little war with?
I seriously think you might be lost.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 05:00 PM
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14. Canada. Let's take their healthcare system
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:06 PM
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8. Boondoggle diversions!
You simply have to deflect the crises towards something that appears to fix what is systemically collapsing.

You don't want massive panic, widespread protests, and other nasty results. You can manage it carefully and let it down slow and easy as opposed to a sudden breakdown. The slow and easy also allows for more predatory profit to be made by big business as the whole infrastructure, (economic and structural) erodes and withers. The shock doctrine, (or shock and awe) also provides some useful and creative methods for utilizing the destructive impact of collapse for expansion of ownership, control with further an increase in profits.

People need to be fed issues, pro and con, that continue to support the facade of stability and security. Anything else, like boldfaced, glaring truth, would cause rapid and severe distributions and inhibit control.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:21 PM
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10. too late for big spending
idiots sat on their hands or went out and voted the GOP back into congress. Those fuckers have no intention of improving the economy.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:24 PM
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11. chaos capitalism
Did you know that the members of Skull and Bones are inculcated with the strategy of creating chaos in order to make gains? Seriously. The elites practice the Hegelian Dialectic in order to profit from chaos.

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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:26 PM
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12. The only reason you are seeing any improvement is because the federal government bailed out
the banksters. They saved all the billionaires from their own folly with your grandchildren's tax dollars and are continuing to give banksters ZERO interests loans that the banksters give out at 20% interest to the tax payers. Only a fool can't make money with those sort of deals.

But the real economy, the main street economy, is still at depression levels because the federal government is deep into debt for those bailouts. So, in order to pay back those debts they accrued bailing out banksters, they are cutting the tax payer's benefits, services and salaries.

So you and your grandchildren get screwed twice - once for not getting an equal share of the bailout and twice for having to pay for the debt caused by the bailout to the banksters.

It's like a trickle down recovery that's never going to trickle down.

But hang in there, maybe a rich Koch brother will eventually piss out a minimum wage, no benefits job for us.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:57 PM
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13. Whether or not the economy is getting better is not the main issue.
What is the issue is that the positions of most Americans within the economy are getting worse.
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