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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:13 AM Original message |
Arne's words were precursor to recent attacks on teachers and unions. He bears responsibility. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, he does bear some of the responsibility. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. k&r |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. "inadvertently"?? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. I was trying to say it nicely. |
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Plucketeer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
43. Maybe Obama and Arne are... |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
4. you are totally and absolutely correct, madfloridian. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. It is wrong to let such vicious attacks on labor go without standing against them. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Am I the only one who doesn't want Obama in WI? |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. well, I want him in WI so his real agenda |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I see Obama's anti-teacher agenda as a separate issue |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
73. If you're not part of the solution . . . yes, Arne is part of the problem. So is Barack. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
6. I think I like Arne Duncan. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Well, you most certainly feel free. You have every right to like him. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I guess I am more free than I thought I was |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. That could be a temporary thing. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. What part of "Democrats are supposed to DEFEND working people" do you not get? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. The Democratic Party and the unions have historically been almost one and the same. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. That's just ridiculous. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Also, I admit in the post that I don't know much about Arne Duncan. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:47 PM Original message |
That's a good point. What, specifically has Arne done that is anti-education? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. That's a good point. What, specifically has Arne done that is anti-education? |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. What exactly does it mean |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
81. Thank you |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. right on mad.................. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 03:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. what do you mean by "a favor to the party"? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Deleted message |
demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. So, if someone told you not to jump off the bridge, you would? n/t |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
33. I'll take Rod Paige back in a heartbeat. |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. K&R |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
11. K&R'd |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
14. 'Mama, don't let your child grow up to be a teacher' |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. That's just about the truth. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Pretty much, yeah. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
16. teachers and their union DO bear some (not all ) of the responsibility. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 03:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. In what ways, specifically? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Why, he read that on the internets, |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Really, Joe? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:04 AM Response to Original message |
20. Arne Duncan and Obama oppose teachers' unions. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
23. duncan built the chicago model on corruption and union busting |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
24. It is in the interest of wealthy dems to support the status quo, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
27. Deleted message |
LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. +1 |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Well according to some here Obama needs to stay out of it, |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Wish he would stay out of his attacks on teacher unions. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. I teach. He has lost my support. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. If it had only been this one thing that he was so wrong about |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. After Bush, you could have sold me on an inanimate carbon rod for president. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. My gripe is the opportunity thrown away. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Good post. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
29. Sad K&R. //nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
31. Amen! K&R!! |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
37. K&R |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
41. sure, but 1000 radio stations are saying a lot worse all day |
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Sabriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
42. With education "friends" like Duncan and Obama, who needs enemies? |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
45. Agreed. To be fair, teachers were beseiged under bush. Obama |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. No, not really. Teachers were not attacked like this under the Bush administration. |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I'll speak for myself then. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. You are right about Bush policies. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
46. Responsibility also goes to the person who gave him the job. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. None of what you quoted is anti-union. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Also, a lot of skilled trade unions have programs to promote a certain quality of workmanship. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. You are saying teachers do not hold themselves to high standards? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Why don't you embarass all of us by pointing out the standard? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Students take the standardized tests. Not the teachers. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I may be confused about that point. What would you like to say about the other one? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Here's the FL Code of Conduct for teachers. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Was I put on ignore for the questions that I asked here? |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. lol |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I think teachers are like everone else--self-policing doesn't work. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I recall my grandfather's union, Carpenter and Joiners, |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
76. hmph! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Good thing I can't see... |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Well, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I loved the aha moments in teaching. Made it all worthwhile. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
62. WP points out many of the same issues with this admin's education policies |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
64. Remember the idea is to privatize and corporatize public education. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. And they are attacking teachers and public education to make that possible. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
68. We're on our own folks. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
69. Recommend |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
74. What is the NEA and AFT doing about Arne? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. They are falling for his "collaboration" theme... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-25-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
75. K&R....Read it all...no words to describe the stuff that's going down..n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. The saddest part... |
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