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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:12 PM
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FL teachers 47th in salary. New bill would kill continuing contracts, job security...cut salaries..
Edited on Sat Feb-26-11 10:14 PM by madfloridian
..by requiring the teachers to donate perhaps 5% of their salary to their retirement...one of the few good things about Florida teaching. That would in effect be a salary cut since most teachers have seen little or no raises for several years now.

A continuing contract is one that is given to good teachers after 3 years on annual contract. It is a form of job security in a job that if done correctly might anger parents who don't want to hear about problems with their kids. It is in effect another way of saying tenure.

Our side has apparently fallen for the "tenure must go" theme, but most certainly no one in leadership is defending it. It is a result of union bargaining, it is something teachers think about when considering coming to a state.

The Miami Herald points out that lawmakers are moving ahead in spite of complaints from teachers.

Despite pleas from teachers, Republican legislators pushed bills to reform how the state pays and evaluates educators.

The new model would tie at least 50 percent of teachers’ salaries and contracts to student performance, replacing a structure that values seniority and uses a last-in, first-out layoff policy.

..."Megan Allen, the 2010 state teacher of the year from Tampa’s Cleveland Elementary, said she fears the bill will lead to “a mass exodus” of teachers from high-needs schools who fear lower performance ratings. A stipend won’t be enough to keep them there. Allen, who is supporting her husband as he goes to school, choked up when describing her anxiety about pay being linked to standardized tests each year. It’s unfair to her students, she said, most of whom are on free and reduced lunch and have different life experiences than students of higher privilege.


True, why teach at a school with serious problems if you are going to be paid accordingly?

Did you see the new talking point? "Last in, first out layoff policy"? Many companies do that, and it has gone on for years. But now it is the way they are attacking job security for teachers, making sure that tenure does not matter in lay offs.

So many aspects go into how a student scores, but this merit pay would only put the responsibility on the teachers. Put some responsibility on the parents and students and consider the circumstances in which they live. The rigid zero tolerance policies have not worked well, they are not humane.

This bill would break tenure rights for teachers, a first step in hiring only cheaper teachers and easily getting rid of those who have reached higher ranks on the pay scale.

Breaking tenure and forcing merit pay is in effect breaking down the union contracts.

Senate Bill 736 is approved by Florida Senate Budget Committee

The Florida Senate Budget Committee approved Senate Bill 736 on February 23 by a vote of 15-5.

A number of teachers attended the hearing but few received the opportunity to voice their opinions because of time limits. A number of teachers have promised to demonstrate against the legislation. Many of the teachers were from Miami.

Senate Bill 736 would eliminate tenure for teachers hired after 2014. It would tie 50 percent of a teacher's pay to the performance of that teacher's students on standardized tests.


This is in effect the very bill that was vetoed by Governor Crist last year. This year Governor Scott is waiting to sign it with glee.

What is so infuriating to me is that Jeb Bush's education foundation is pushing this bill very hard. His foundation is often named in articles as being in favor of it....but the reporters fail to mention his name.

In fact Naples News talks several times about that foundation recommending the bill highly, but the reporter never mentions Jeb's name.

Florida teacher pay dropping to 47th in U.S.; union raps Senate Bill 736

NAPLES — Florida’s public school teachers are on their way to being among the worst-paid in the nation. That is one finding of a report recently released by the National Education Association, the national teachers’ labor union. The report found that, for the 2009-10 school year, average teacher salaries in Florida were 37th among the 50 states and District of Columbia.

Florida’s average teacher salary last year was $46,708. The national average was $55,202. Estimates for this school year show Florida teachers’ salaries falling to No. 47, according to the report.


The Foundation for Florida's Future is Jeb's group.

The Foundation for Florida’s Future has come out in support of Senate Bill 736, saying it will improve the lives of teachers. The nonprofit describes itself as a public policy organization “dedicated to keeping the promise of quality education by advocating reforms that raise standards, increase accountability, provide incentives for success and offering choices.”

Jaryn Emhof, press secretary for the organization, wrote in an e-mail that “teachers are the unsung heroes of the classroom, but Florida’s current system does not recognize teachers for their work in the classroom.

..."“SB 736 changes this by putting Florida on a path to attract and retain excellent teachers. It creates a system that will identify and reward excellent teachers,” Emhof wrote.


Left out of their scenario is experience in working with children. This is a shortcut to paying teachers less. They talk about good teachers getting more, but just imagine how long that would continue. It's a shortcut to turning teaching from a respected profession into a job which saves money by paying less.

All the Naples News had to do was go to the website for that foundation and look at the About page. There is Jeb's picture, and in black and white the goals for this group.

Message from the chairman

Florida has made great strides to improve the quality of education. A decade ago, the Sunshine State ranked at the bottom nationally. Nearly one-third of third graders couldn’t read on grade level and close to half of fourth graders were functionally illiterate. Too many students were dropping out of school, while those who stayed weren’t gaining the knowledge to succeed after graduation.

So much has changed since then. Today, Florida’s elementary and middle school students are reading above the national average. Math proficiency is on the rise. More students are taking and passing rigorous courses that prepare them for college. The graduation rate has jumped by double digits and fewer students are dropping out.

Our success was built on a foundation of core principles. Starting with the A+ Plan in 1999 and continuing today, our reforms combine high expectations, standardized measurement, a clear and achievable system of accountability, rewards and consequences for performance, effective teaching in the classroom and more choices to customize education to each student.


Glowing words. Yet if Florida schools are so great, why is the new governor trying to dismantle them by giving vouchers to parents of $5500 for each child....so they can send them to private schools. Makes no sense, does it?

SO...if the schools here are so much better then the reward of the teachers is to move down 10 slots on the salary rank, lose job security. And they will lose up to 5% of their pay because they will have to contribute that much toward their retirement...which up until now has been a big attraction for drawing teachers.

That's the reward for working so hard.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:25 PM
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:25 PM
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2. I long for the day when teachers are paid more than corporate officers
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:36 AM
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9. Never happen, but still a good dream.
:hi:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:35 PM
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4. Humans are not cars; they cannot be made to perform identically, no matter the teacher, parent,
school, etc.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:45 PM
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5. True indeed.
I am gathering many don't agree. :think:

Missed the content, sense the upset.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:33 PM
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6. The problem isn't just teachers, parents share some blame to when their kids do bad in school
When kids do bad in school, parents, and other things can be part of the problem. Parents need to teach their kids to value education, and help them when they're struggling.

When I was in middle school, everyone in the same grade was divided into 5 different classes, based on how well they did in school. You could tell which group was which since the groups were named '6-1' for the best 6th grader class, '6-5' was the worst performing 6th grade class etc. When I was in 6th grade I ended up getting a schedule that put me in a few different groups for different subjects. Early in the year the school had a night where parents can come in and meet all their kids teachers. My parents said that the 6-1 group with the best students had a lot of parents in it (even though the 6-1 class was the smallest out of all 5). The other classes, like 6-3 and 6-5 had considerably less parents there, even though there were 10 less students in the 6-1 group.

While I think there's some merit in some of the changes they're trying to push through in Florida, they're going too far with some of the changes, especially in putting 50% of the salary based on just student performance. You need to take other things into consideration, like student improvement. I mean if you have a class of people who usually get all just about all A's in all their classes it's a lot less impressive if you give them almost all A's. If you don't take improvement into thought then you're just encouraging teachers to pick the wealthiest school districts (studies show the wealthier the family the better the kids typically do in school), rather than encouraging teachers challenge themselves to educate their students better. I mean seriously, how often do you hear about a kid who usually got D's and F's turning into a student who usually gets A's in just a year?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:44 PM
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8. Good post with important points.
There's always room for improvement, but when the goal is to make education profitable for corporations then the improvements will be geared toward that.

I was at a great school for most of my time teaching with much parent involvement. Our kids did great on national norms because the parents were working with us. But my last school was not that way. The parents were not that cooperative, often considered us the enemy.

It was rough there, and the scores were not good. The kids did learn, though, even though test scores did not show it.

Test scores on standardized tests just don't tell the whole story of learning.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:42 PM
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7. I'm so glad I don't teach in Florida
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:02 AM
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11. deliberatedumbingdown.com
Please read.
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ctwayne Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 08:46 AM
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12. So What is Your Point?
You say the wages and benefits of Florida teachers are bad and getting worse. So if these workers had any sense of self-respect, they would strike for better working conditions. If they don't want to fight for their rights, they could look for work elsewhere. If they can't find a decent job in this country, they could move to other countries. Simply to sit around and complain- as the new Republican governor beats in your brains- is the code of a slave and not a free man.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:22 PM
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13. FL teachers not allowed to strike. They do have self-respect.
They are planning a rally, but that is all they can do.

I do hate to tell you but Florida teachers ARE at the mercy of Rick Scott and the legislature. That is because our Democrats here would do the same effing thing to teachers if they were in control.

Sit around and complain? You say workers in FL should move to other countries?

I do not appreciate your post which paints Florida teachers in such a light.

They can not strike, it is illegal. I can not see how being thrown in jail would help their cause when the Democrats mostly agree with the Republicans. In fact that is true nationally, as Arne and Obama are fulfilling Bush's education agenda.

You do NOT have to be rude to get your point across.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 12:31 PM
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14. Suggesting the FL teachers move to other countries is over the top rhetoric.
It is disturbing to me that such words that are so impractical and ridiculous are used to try to make me and the teachers of FL look bad.

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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:25 PM
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16. apparently you missed what just happened in Rhode Island
or what is planned by the governors of New Jersey, Wisconsin, Ohio.

Have you looked for a job lately? Even a decent job, you know, one that pays a wage that allows you to actually buy a home, have a vacation, send your kids to college.

I'd like to say, "welcome to DU" but for some reason, I think you're only here for he pizza.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:52 PM
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19. I was surprised at that.
But I agree, I don't think the severity of the situation is realized.

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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:49 PM
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20. the severity of the situation is that
these republican governors are attempting to eradicate public education as we know it. I don't believe that

fiscal conservatiism is the reason.

I appreciate all you do madfloridian, and look forward to reading your posts. This wasteland of florida is becoming a

frightening place to raise kids.:hi: & good luck
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:51 PM
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21. FL teachers are prohibited from striking per the state constitution.
"Look for work elsewhere."

Hey, don't you have a goon to chase or a war to start??

Hope you like that pizza COLD.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:20 PM
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15. Way to go mad......great post.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:00 PM
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17. k&r
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:09 PM
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18. Every day more and more I'm beginning to see why the Bolsheviks revolted.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:56 PM
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22. just watched nbc nightly news....
the right wing meme across the country is ....attack teachers......

from the report, you'd have thought that teachers were responsible for every penny of the deficit.....and that they get EVERYTHING through their unions...it was pathetic
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-11 06:18 AM
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23. Nicely done
My latest intel has the bill coming out of committee with a 2% pension contribution. This is better than 5%, but will still be tough on many.
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