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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:24 AM
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I have tried to be patient, but NO MORE: "Mr. President: Use the damn bully pulpit!"
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 11:26 AM by kpete
Mr. President: Use the damn bully pulpit!

President Obama in Wisconsin last fall


On Wednesday night, Wisconsin Republicans used a legislative dodge to ram home one of the most devastating attacks on union rights in American history. Using the financial crisis and ongoing depressed state of the economy as a foil, the GOP essentially neutered Wisconsin’s public sector unions.

.....................

How about addressing the nation tomorrow about what is happening in Wisconsin. Sure, he’d be accused of partisanship -- an accusation that he seems to fear above all others; but so was Roosevelt when he held those devastatingly effective fireside chats with America to sell progressive New Deal policies like Social Security, public works programs, and the eight hour work day – as well as to warn his audience not to be taken in by the reactionary words of moneyed interests opposed to his reforms. At a certain point, politics is, by definition, partisan.


We are sleepwalking toward the abyss. It’s time for Obama to expend some capital shaking the country out of its slumbers. The Republicans have crossed a Rubicon in Wisconsin; Obama needs to marshal the pushback, and he needs to do so now.

the rest:
http://www.salon.com/news/wisconsin/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/03/10/obama_wisconsin_unions
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:26 AM
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1. Stand up, Mr. President, or get out of the way.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:26 AM
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2. I have repeated over and over that Obama must stay out of Wisconsin -
and I believe that is what needs to happen to keep this non-partisan. BUT what we do not need is a democratic president making comments to silence labor. When he starts actively speaking against the working people we must step up and primary this guy.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM
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12. "When he starts actively speaking against the working people..."
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:41 AM
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14. NY Times for your collection - Protests are a "distraction"
This is not a pro-worker administration as evidenced by these comments:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/us/politics/04staff.html?_r=4

Administration officials said they saw the events beyond Washington as distractions from the optimistic “win the future” message that Mr. Obama introduced in his State of the Union address, in which he exhorted the country to increase spending for some programs even as it cuts others so that America can “out-innovate and out-educate” its global rivals.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:42 AM
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15. This is EXACTLY a pro-worker administration.
He knows when his interference will harm rather than help.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:48 AM
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18. I agree showing up in Madison would be ludicrous -
but labeling workers a "distraction" is not the most artful way of showing support for labor. How about he says something like "I support labor" instead?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:48 AM
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19. That's simply
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 11:53 AM by ProSense
bullshit media spin.

<...>

Similarly, the White House mostly has sought to stay out of the fray in Madison, Wis., and other state capitals where Republican governors are battling public employee unions and Democratic lawmakers over collective bargaining rights. When West Wing officials discovered that the Democratic National Committee had mobilized Mr. Obama’s national network to support the protests, they angrily reined in the staff at the party headquarters.

<...>


Preposterous. Claiming that the activities of OFA Wisconsin and the DNC were "discovered" is absolutely bogus. Who the hell made that claim?


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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:18 PM
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35. I might agree with you on that if he'd actaully come out and say something
supporting the workers of Wisconsin. I will not hold my breath while I wait.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:21 PM
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:38 AM
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13. My variation on this was: WI hasn't risen to Presidential status, yet...
But as of last night it has.

I'm sorry Mr. O if helping out millions of Americans is a "distraction" for you.

Really, really, horribly sorry.

Hopefully, your coffee didn't get cold this morning due to any distractions. :nopity:
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:46 AM
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16. Did you really say "keep it non-partisan"???
What does partisan look like to you?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:53 AM
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21. I am originally from Wisconsin -
I am watching my family and friends on facebook as they fight this battle. I know their political affiliations - I know which cousin is a very religious republican who is now protesting because she is fearful of losing the teaching job that supports her family.

You may be solely into the dog and pony voting shows. I vote and then move on to activism because as far as I'm concerned the voting changes nothing for workers in an economic sense. Sure it makes a difference who is on the supreme court... but it does not make a difference in the day to day life of 95% of this country.

In Wisconsin right now, workers, no matter how they vote, are coming together to fight against the owners. That's what it is about for me. Workers in solidarity is the only way to effectively fight against the owners. My opinion. YMMV.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:46 AM
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17. What makes you think
he's going to actively speak against the working people? It sounds like that's what you're hoping he'll do.

He has done the contrary so far.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:54 AM
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22. He has already called the protests a "distraction" - that is not support for the working people
no matter how you attempt to spin it.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 01:27 PM
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33. Didn't that come from
unnamed sources about the "administration"?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:15 PM
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34. It came from officials in his administration - helps if you read the article:
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:27 AM
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3. Sadly this will not happen.....every time we need a bit of risk taking leadership he runs the.....
other way.

Ironic considering the appearance with the 1st lady earlier today.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:27 AM
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4. Don't compromise with those whose goal is to kneecap your own party
Is that too much to ask?
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pinkkillersheep Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:29 AM
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5. Duh.
We aren't the "independents" so we don't matter.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:30 AM
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6. i would be willing to beg
America needs our President to stand with Americans


peace, kpete
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:30 AM
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7. Kpete, as Randi Rhodes says - "when they show you who they are - believe them."
Only a primary challenge from the left can possibly stir Obama to do anything more then give weak lip service to core Dem principles.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:33 AM
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8. FDR's chats were about federal policy
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 11:37 AM by ProSense
He did not intervene in state legislatures. Even Reagan's attack on striking airport workers was a federal issue.

People are demanding that this President set a precedent for using the Presidency to go against a legally elected state body. That's crazy.

Why are people determined to make this about the President?

He can issue all the statements he wants, but he can't force Walker and the Republicans to act differently.



Edited typos.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM
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11. +1 n/t
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:01 PM
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25. They're determined to make it about him because they hate him.
Read the crap put out, the lies, the twisted truths. They want to primary him and run some imaginary perfect liberal....nevermind that person doesn't exist. It makes for good bashing and that's the name of the game. You can call it birtherism, far left style.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:04 PM
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26. the fact that he stated that he would "walk with protesters on the picket lines"
Usually, leads one to the concept that he would lend support to the protesters.

I know, crazy, right?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:11 PM
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27. What exactly
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:19 PM
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28. you like to go from 0 to 60 don't you.
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 12:25 PM by Javaman
I simple statement would be nice.

but alas.

heaven forbid that he actually lower himself to walk with the people.

Oh and just for grins...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x600018
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:27 PM
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31. "I simple statement would be nice. "
What would another statement accomplish except calls for another from those demanding another statement?

Is Walker going to change his mind because the President issues a statement? I mean, WI isn't Egypt. The President can't demand that Walker step down.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:29 PM
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32. I noticed you didn't respond to the link I attached...
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 12:29 PM by Javaman
nor did you comment within said link.

I'll leave it at that.

Good day.

Oh and you are now ignored.

I'm just really exhausted from your fine line support of bad policy.

Cheers and tootles!

On edit: you may now get the last word. If that makes you happy.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:34 AM
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9. I have given him the benefit of the doubt for a long time.
No more. I am beginning to see him as Lieberman lite. I just saw Inside Job and realized that there is no doubt he is more of the same. Maybe they have something on him because I can't explain the difference between who I voted for and the guy in the office.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:35 AM
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10. recommend
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:48 AM
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20. Nope, not yet. We've got this covered.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 11:56 AM
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23. He won't ever do that. That's not him. He's passed up many prior opportunities
because he doesn't DO bully pulpit - he takes the path of least resistance, ALWAYS.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:00 PM
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24. Don't hold your breath.
He will have sandwiches set out to try and "bridge the gap" and reach "a common ground".

I've given up on any hope of him coming out in support for the worker.

We are on our own.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:23 PM
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30. Yeah lets blame Obama instead of all those that stay home in NOV.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 09:12 PM
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36. Or we could do like we've done with every other issue he's been a disappointment on.
And scramble like mad to cast blame at someone -anyone- that isn't him.

Oh wait, people are already doing that. Nevermind, carry on then.
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