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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 08:54 PM
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To all my friends on the West Coast--as a precaution
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 08:59 PM
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1. Not just precautions for radiation
The Pacific tectonic plates have been quite active--China, New Guinea, Chile and now a big in Japan. If I lived in the quakes zones of the coasts, I would be prepared for the possibility.......
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:02 PM
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3. The ring of fire
is coming alive. But all coastal areas may be hit in the coming months. 2012 is no joke.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:06 PM
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30. Seriously. You're bringing up 2012?
Way to completely negate an argument with superstition.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:31 PM
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31. Okay :o)
O8)
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:24 PM
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5. You forgot New Zealand.
The quakes seem to be going counter-clockwise around the Pacific. Chile, New Zealand, Japan... As a resident of Washington state, I am not comforted by that thought.
:scared:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:38 PM
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16. It probably goes back to the Indonesian earthquake of 2004
So it was a 9.0 there, 8.9 around Japan, it just means the west coast will now be due with extra pressure on it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:01 PM
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2. omg, where's the duck?
It was yours, wasn't it? Or was it someone else?
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:03 PM
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4. It is good to see you graywarrior. And thank you for the advice. n/t
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:26 PM
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6. Probably best . . .
. . . if it's naturally brewed Miso. Also, Kombu (a kind of kelp) is good to add in.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:29 PM
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8. Exactly
Nori wouldn't hurt either. A 1/2 sheet a day.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:33 PM
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9. I *heart* you for doing this!
nice as hell to see you here too.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:10 PM
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13. It's crisis time....sorta
:loveya:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:32 PM
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15. I second that...
:loveya:

Missed you and the duck, graywarrior.

:hi:

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:26 PM
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7. Holy cow, you're back! But we insist you bring the duck back, too.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:35 PM
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11. ditto, duck (duck, goose)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 09:34 PM
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10. Yum!
On the other hand, I got some iodine when Junior was in office because you know how he screws EVERYTHING up.

lol
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:32 AM
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24. Sea vegetables are a good source of iodine.
So what GW is recommending is probably just a yummier way of getting iodine into your system
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:09 PM
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12. Hey! Missed you!
:hi:
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:20 PM
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14. Miso is also an important part of a macrobiotic diet.
Well known for its cleansing and detoxing properties. Not to mention it's just plain tasty-good stuff.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 11:20 PM
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19. Yes, I am aware
been macro for years (not strict-because I detest being rigid). Miso w/shiitake mushroom for breakfast!
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:10 AM
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22. I heard of macro diets years ago.
I first heard of it when John Lennon went macro. Never gave it too much thought until just a couple months ago. Slowly, as I learn more and how, I'm going more macrobiotic. And yes I was very pleasantly surprised at the super benefits of miso via your post. Good stuff that miso.

Now I must find a good recipe. Suggestions?
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:40 PM
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25. Here's a simple one I like a lot.
. Mugi Miso or Red miso I think will be the
best. Make sure the soybeans are organic and it's naturally (not chemically) brewed. Then seaweed, some Wakame and Kombu.
Here's a recipe:

Saute one onion, sliced thin, until it's translucent
Add about 4 cups of water and bring to boil.
Add a diced carrot and some cabbage and a stick or two of wakame
seaweed, broken or cut with a scissor in 1 inch pieces.
Any other veggies are good. I'd put some broccoli in, maybe some
kale or collard greens sliced thin.
Cook for about 10 minutes on simmer.
Turn heat to very low and add one stick of Kombu and let steep for
a few minutes.
In a separate bowl, put in a few tablespoons of Miso. add some
broth from the soup and mash it up till it's well mixed with the
broth. Pour back into the soup. Take the kombu out and let it sit
for about 5 minutes. If it's not salty enough add a bit more miso
to taste. Too salty add more water. Each miso is different so it might take some adjustment to get it right.

It's easier than it sounds.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:43 PM
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26. That looks way awesome!
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 08:15 PM
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28. Hey WOW thanks so much
Looks pretty easy actually and sounds really mummy. I love miso.

Thanks again.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:39 PM
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17. Thank you, we will get some dashi paste tomorrow!
PB
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:40 PM
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18. thank you,
I miss your posts and hope you're doing well.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 11:23 PM
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20. Miso soup?
I'm sure it helps and all, but if the winds carry the radiation here, shouldn't we take something stronger?

Iodine was mentioned here somewhere...
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 11:30 PM
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21. Read the article, Taverner
Miso and ume was used after Japan was bombed in WWII
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:28 AM
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23. Iodine suppliments are a big help. My mother keeps a supply at her house
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:43 PM
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27. yes, miso is very effective against radiation, ask the hibakusha.
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 05:43 PM by Hannah Bell
i rarely do this, but: unrec
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:04 PM
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29. How gracious
My first day back. Jesus loves you.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 11:58 PM
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32. nothing personal, but miso is not effective against radiation.
not in any way.

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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 09:49 AM
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33. Well . . .,
Granted it's only one study.


Radioprotective effects of miso (fermented soy bean paste) against radiation in B6C3F1 mice: increased small intestinal crypt survival, crypt lengths and prolongation of average time to death.
Hiroshima J Med Sci. 2001; 50(4):83-6 (ISSN: 0018-2052)

Ohara M; Lu H; Shiraki K; Ishimura Y; Uesaka T; Katoh O; Watanabe H
Department of Environment and Mutation, Research Institute for Radiation Biology and Medicine, Hiroshima University, Japan.

The radioprotective effect of miso, a fermentation product from soy bean, was investigated with reference to the survival time, crypt survival and jejunum crypt length in male B6C3F1 mice. Miso at three different fermentation stages (early-, medium- and long-term fermented miso) was mixed in MF diet into biscuits at 10% and was administered from 1 week before irradiation. Animal survival in the long-term fermented miso group was significantly prolonged as compared with the short-term fermented miso and MF cases after 8 Gy of 60Co-gamma-ray irradiation at a dose rate of 2Gy min(-1). Delay in mortality was evident in all three miso groups, with significantly increased survival. At doses of 10 and 12 Gy X-irradiation at a dose rate of 4 Gy min(-1), the treatment with long-term fermented miso significantly increased crypt survival. Also the protective influence against irradiation in terms of crypt lengths in the long-term fermented miso group was significantly greater than in the short-term or medium-term fermented miso and MF diet groups. Thus, prolonged fermentation appears to be very important for protection against radiation effects.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 09:53 AM
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34. And maybe it's the totality of miso soup, not just miso
Suppression of 125I-uptake in mouse thyroid by seaweed feeding: possible preventative effect of dietary seaweed on internal radiation injury of the thyroid by radioactive iodine.
Kitasato Arch Exp Med. 1992; 65(4):209-16 (ISSN: 0023-1924)

Maruyama H; Yamamoto I
Department of Pathology, Kitasato University School of Hygienic Sciences, Kanagawa, Japan.

We conducted an animal experiment to determine how dietary seaweeds rich in iodine and dietary fibers suppress radioactive iodine uptake by the thyroid, using mice and four kinds of experimental diets, three with 1% or 2% powdered fronds of the kelp Laminaria religiosa and 2% powdered laver Porphyra yezoensis, and one with cellulose. Iodine content of a hot-water extract of the kelp was 0.530 +/- 0.001%, and its dietary fiber (DF) values were 52.8 +/- 1.2%. Iodine in an extract of the laver was 0.008 +/- 0.001%, and its DF values were 41.4% +/- 0.7%. A statistically significant reduction of 125I uptake by the thyroid, 3 hours after intragastric administration of the radionuclide at a dosage of 18.5 kBq or 185 kBq in 0.3 ml aqueous solution per mouse, was observed in mice previously fed the experimental diets containing 1% and 2% kelp during periods varying from 24 hours to 7 days. The degree of the suppression was observed to depend on the amount of iodine in the diet or in the injected sample, no matter whether organic or inorganic, judging from the results of an additional experiment. Thus, we conclude that previously fed iodine-rich material, especially dietary seaweeds rich in iodine and other minerals, vitamins, and beta-carotene, such as kelps or laver supplemented with inorganic iodine, may be effective in prevention of internal radiation injury of the thyroid.

And

Suppression of radioactive strontium absorption by sodium alginate in animals and human subjects.
Biomed Environ Sci. 1991; 4(3):273-82 (ISSN: 0895-3988)

Gong YF; Huang ZJ; Qiang MY; Lan FX; Bai GA; Mao YX; Ma XP; Zhang FG
Institute of Radiation Medicine, Beijing, China.

The effect of 23 sodium alginate preparations from different species of algae (Sargassum sp.) and kelp (Laminaria sp.) on reducing the absorption of strontium was studied in detail. A pilot production procedure has been established. Na alginate from S. siliquastrum was proven to be a potent agent for reducing Sr absorption, with high efficiency and virtually no toxicity. It reduced the body burden of strontium 3.3-4.2 fold in rats. Strontium absorption in human subjects was reduced by 78% (+/- 8.9) or completely suppressed the increase of serum Sr at 2 h after ingestion of stable Sr in volunteers and decrease 24 h urine Sr to similar extent. No undesirable effects on gastrointestinal function was observed nor were Ca, Fe, Cu and Zn metabolism changed, both in the animal experiments and in human. It was concluded that alginate preparations derived from Sargassum species are a suitable antidote against radiostrontium absorption on a long-term basis, when added to bread at a 6% level. In cases of emergency, an alginate syrup preparation appears to be more suitable because of its rapid action.
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