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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:43 AM
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Activate the Nuclear Apologists
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/3/13/10205/9361

Activate the Nuclear Apologists

by BooMan
Sun Mar 13th, 2011 at 10:20:05 AM EST


With the systemic failure of the Japanese nuclear power industry, it looks like the industry is going to have to activate its busy bees to flood the internet and airwaves with apologists. Talking points will have to include:

1. No one could have imagined...
2. The Japanese are stupid and do things all wrong.
3. It would never happen here.
4. Nuclear energy is clean and safe.
5. What? Do you want Gaddafi heating your house?

Warning: Do not engage in dispersing these talking points unless you are being compensated handsomely, as all your acquaintances will assume you are insensitive and either stupid, a whore, or both.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:44 AM
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1. LOL K&R
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:45 AM
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2. kick
nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:47 AM
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3. Obama wants to give the nuke industry $50 BILLION + in loans from taxpayer pockets nt
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:55 AM
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4. K& Fucking R.
To counteract the sad little nuclear porn crowd, whose denial is rampant.
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fittosurvive Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 09:56 AM
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5. Actually, a more rational approach would be to reevaluate and improve the
structural designs of nuclear reactors.

However, I have no doubt that there will be a an emotional response to this tragedy.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 11:21 AM
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13. New designs cannot eliminate the two major problems with nuclear power,
Eliminating human error and finding a solution to the disposal of radioactive waste.
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fittosurvive Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:21 PM
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16. That is true; however, those problems existed prior to this tragedy,
which is being exploited in an effort to influence a reaction based on emotions, rather than logic.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:42 PM
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18. being directly down wind of this, I base my reaction on both
I doubt that the dead are going to care about logic and reason. there is no logic to build technology that we cannot take care of, whose waste products cannot be taken care of on a world of techtonic plates. THis shit needs to go. I don't need to turn a blow torch on my face to know it will be burned.
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fittosurvive Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:57 PM
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21. Your reaction is based on what might happen, rather than what has actually happened.
People are dead as a result of the earthquake, not as a result of a nuclear reactor meltdown.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:59 PM
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22. so you think gambling with human life is a-ok for the nuclear industry?
you first
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fittosurvive Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:12 PM
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24. No more of a gamble than inhabiting an island that spans four of the earth's tectonic plates.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:01 AM
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6. The "It could never happen here" clown was already on MTP this morning
And he was supposedly the nukular "expert." Oops, wait a minute, let me check his bona fides...oh, I see. It turns out he is an expert spokesman for the nuclear industry. But yes, he actually claimed that despite the N-plants we have sitting right on top of major fault lines, our plants are built to the highest standards in the world (part #2 on the list, too, I guess) and that this type of catastrophe simply couldn't happen at OUR nuclear plants.

Next; The Titanic could never sink and a huge hurricane could never hit Louisiana.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:06 AM
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7. The sad facts are that after 40 years of doing FUCK ALL
civilization will be forced to deploy many more nuclear power plants as the population grows and demands energy. The Idiots In Charge are off designing smaller cheaper nuke-plants deployed ubiquitously. What could possibly go wrong?

There is one energy source that can meet our needs without killing us and/or the ecosystem. Where is the Manhattan Project to make solar viable?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:34 AM
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8. "Where is the Manhattan Project to make solar viable?"
A Manhattan Project of decentralized and inefficient (ie labor intensive) energy policies focusing on solar/wind/wave technologies would provide an economic future for the middle-class as well as reduce our strategic dependence on foreign oil. However, I was told in another thread that this idea would kill 30MM people!. Of course, no explanation as to how this would occur. Which leads me to think that this is the right policy to pursue.
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browntyphoon Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:49 PM
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19. Solar wont work for Japan. Solar and wind require large tracts of land which Japan does not have.
Aside from that the seismic, tsunami and storm activity in that region would destroy sea based efforts.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 01:01 PM
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20. Maybe true, but nuclear doesn't seem to be the answer, either.
But the comment I made was in response to US policy.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 11:23 AM
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14. What could possibly go worng. Indeed.
:cry:
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:36 AM
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9. Here's one you missed:
'You should take a tour of the plant sometime'

'...it would put your mind more at ease.'
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 10:36 AM
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10. Right on
as this old hippie says, right the hell on.
rec.
:hug: :hi:
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Johnny_dollar Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 11:03 AM
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11. No one could have imagined...
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 11:48 AM by Johnny_dollar
is exactly the point. It is difficult or impossible to to foresee and protect against every eventuality. Even the best-laid plans of mice and men can be blindsided due to: (a) human error (b)happenstance (c) natural disaster. The question that should be asked is, "Can we afford the cost of a disaster when (not if) it occurs.

You would have thought that the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico would make people take in consideration the potential cost of a screw-up, and weigh that against the benefits of any activity, But, sadly, I am afraid that is not the case.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 11:19 AM
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12. Yet after this all we will hear next election is
drill baby drill (even as the gulf is still polluted), and more nuclear power. Politicians think we can't remember 1 year ago.
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 11:28 AM
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15. All brought to you in commercials by
KOCH ELECTRIC

"Where things happen!"
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 12:33 PM
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17. Back when these reactors were built, were we told they were safe?
Only later to realize their designs were flawed?

Why should the newer designs be different in this regard? We're told they'll be safe. We won't know otherwise until they meltdown too.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:07 PM
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23. anyone espousing that shit is being set on Ignore
since the mods won't rid them from us, I will do so on my own.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 06:20 PM
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25. K&R
"Man is a strange animal, he doesn't like to read the handwriting on the wall until his back is up against it." ~Adlai Stevenson
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