So, PJ Crowley is "resigning" over his denounciation of Manning's detention.

@ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald

Wow - CNN says State Dept spokesman PJ Crowley - who just publicly denounced Manning's detention -- is now "resigning"

10 minutes ago via web


http://twitter.com/#!/ggreenwald/status/46978659067764737

this whitehouse is fucking fail

:wow:

can't do that in a militarist culture. Not ever.

It may or may not be the case that he has resigned. That he would feel pressure to resign for his candor is eminently believable, to me.

to take this new development in.

the President's handling of this matter.

Iirc, he said "my colleagues at the Defense Department".

he is responsible for the torture of Manning...I hope he realizes that ...just as Bush is responsible for the torture of Abu Ghahib

You'd be fired.

Its pretty simple.

as a spinner for the administration, that's why.

It doesn't matter where you work, speak against your boss publicly or bash the company pub. ... expect to get fired.

but I think the way he said it makes that difficult.

Also another poster pointed out that Clinton was after to get rid of him anyway, but I wasnt aware of that.

move with him saying he wanted a different job.

Crowley dared to question the abusive conditions of Manning's detention. This is the reason Crowley was fired.

Talk about a pathetic boss.

did he agree with PJ and Obama's answer was pathetic. If that had gone well instead, I bet Crowley would still have a job.

Here's a little write up from ABC:

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley resigned Sunday, under pressure to step down from the White House.

snip

Asked by ABC News if he agreed with that, President Obama said Friday that he’d “asked the Pentagon whether or not the procedures that have been taken in terms of his confinement are appropriate and are meeting our basic standards.” Pentagon officials, he said, “assure me that they are. I can't go into details about some of their concerns, but some of this has to do with Private Manning's safety as well.”

Crowley’s comments to an audience at M.I.T. were first reported by Philippa Thomas and Crowley confirmed to The Cable’s Josh Rogin that "What I said was my personal opinion. It does not reflect an official USG policy position. I defer to the Department of Defense regarding the treatment of Bradley Manning.”

While some White House officials knew of Crowley’s comments, White House chief of staff Bill Daley learned of them when ABC News asked that question of the president. Daley told White House officials of Crowley, “he’s done.” Manning was arrested in May 2010 after telling a former hacker that he had given documents to WikiLeaks. Earlier this month the Army filed 22 new counts against him including aiding the enemy, theft of public property or records, computer fraud, transmitting information in violation of the Espionage Act.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/state-department-spokesman-pj-crowley-resigned-bradley-manning.html

to him because of all the equivocating and triangulating with fascists. Now not going to vote for him either. Hope that doesn't get me banned but, if so, oh well.

I kind of think he was forced to resign. Tell the truth and resign. Don't that beat all.

"White House chief of staff Bill Daley learned of them when ABC News asked that question of the president. Daley told White House officials of Crowley, 'he’s done.'"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/state-department-spokesman-pj-crowley-resigned-bradley-manning.html

Oh..wait, maybe i am getting him confused with Gibb's replacement????

the new PressSec. :hi:

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That way, maybe he'll only have to, eh, serve a 5-year stretch for telling the truth about the warmongers and liars.

Like Ray McGovern said, "So, this is America."

Him and Greg Morrell. That's their job. I feel like I'm on drugs. lol

This whole administration is totally losing me...and no doubt losing many many others as well, with this kind of RepubliCon-inspired bullshit.

pressure form White House officials. I doubt she made this decision by herself. But you sure are right. These people in this administration can not be trusted.

:-(

Candy Crowley was on "State of the Union" today.

Also, see Reply 28: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=633366&mesg_id=633548

we still won't know it.

Of course, Hillary Clinton would deny it if Crowley were wrong. Reporters will be sure to ask her, too.

Candy Crowley is an annoying tool.

Too much integrity for that.

:sarcasm:

We'll see if Hillary Clinton or the State Department denies it. If they don't, well, I'd say I am right.

opposite. If her mouth is open shit is spewing.

because he has been frustratingly 'on message' throughout the revolutions in Egypt even to the point of refusing to answer pertinent questions when interviewed on Al Jazeera. That interview angered a lot of people as he avoided questions over and over again, causing people to think at the time, that the U.S. was hoping for Mubarak's survival (early on in the revolution)

He seemed like the perfect 'messenger' for the U.S. Reminded me of Gibbs. Stay on message, never give any real info and avoid 'troublesome' questions. I gave up reading his messages on Twitter as they were just empty rhetoric.

So, it was sort of a shock when made that statement about Manning. Good for him, it is definitely worth losing your job if it stops you from telling the truth.

All of them should be willing to do that.

He's very good at what he does, no matter how much I dislike it.

http://twitter.com/#!/dana_hughes/status/46984937542389760

I'll be damned.

so unwilling to even allow it.

nt

I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to be linked with the America Tortures(tm) crowd either...they have a stench about them.

and posted one of my own. Consider it backing you up EFerrari.
k/r
:fistbump:

:hi:

now speak out!

but something tells me it wasn't exactly volunteery.

That's why it's so mind bending. It's more like he had an uncontrollable outbreak of the truth.

lol

but at least this person told the truth. I can't describe how disgusted I am regarding the Obama admin.

His job was to make everything the government does sound noble and shiny.

He's defended every horrible thing BushCo did, and has worked for two years in this administration defending the indefensible like the fake election in Haiti and the coup in Honduras.

Maybe he was tired of this job.

6 months before he leaked the Pentagon Papers, iirc.

Read Ellsburg's 'Secrets' for his description of attending an anti-war teachin at Harvard where male scions of the upper class turned their back on America by burning their draftcards. Ellsburg had his epiphany about Vietnam as a result of those with so much to lose so willingly losing it for the anti-war cause.

Crowley used to make me yell out loud at the teevee, so I'm having a hard time imagining that. :)

was a Defense Department insider and ostensible loyalist on Vietnam and U.S. nuclear policy. He was recruited to assemble the Pentagon Papers by Robert McNamara or one of his chief underlings.

Interesting side-note: were it not for Ellsburg's leaking of the Pentagon Papers, Watergate and Nixon's resignation might never have happened. The "Plumbers" were formed to staunch leaks and Watergate co-conspirator G. Gordon Liddy and others actually broke into Ellsburg's psychiatrist's office out here in California trying to get dirt on Ellsburg.

The irony is delicious. Whistleblower blows whistle on the treatment of another whistleblower and gets "resigned".

Now I feel bad for all the times I impugned his mother.

He was correct.

In the past, he's spun for Bush and Obama like a Trojan. :wow:

- just take him out of the militarize hands and put him in a regular jail that is used for persons awaiting trial. There is no reason this cannot be done. After all doesn't our whole rule of law rest on the idea that a man is innocent until proven quilt?

I mean, first Crowley spoke up about this? That in itself is surprising.
And now apparently resigned over it.
WTF

edit sloppy typing

:shrug:

on anyone expressing that division or dissent.

Damn.

he didn't say wrong or morally reprehensible or illegal.

He could have meant, "it's stupid because it makes us look bad".

Showing that even mild dissent is swiftly punished.

All of this is so the opposite direction I thought Obama and his administration would take.

And it just keeps going that way, doesn't it?

:wow:

:wow:

Maybe the admin decided it needs goodwill there more than it needs Crowley.

On Friday, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley denounced the conditions of Bradley Manning's detention as "ridiculous, counterproductive and stupid," forcing President Obama to address those comments in a Press Conference and defend the treatment of Manning. Today, CNN reports, Crowley has "abruptly resigned" under "pressure from White House officials because of controversial comments he made last week about the Bradley Manning case." In other words, he was forced to "resign" -- i.e., fired.

So, in Barack Obama's administration, it's perfectly acceptable to abuse an American citizen in detention who has been convicted of nothing by consigning him to 23-hour-a-day solitary confinement, barring him from exercising in his cell, punitively imposing "suicide watch" restrictions on him against the recommendations of brig psychiatrists, and subjecting him to prolonged, forced nudity designed to humiliate and degrade. But speaking out against that abuse is a firing offense. Good to know. As Matt Yglesias just put it: "Sad statement about America that P.J. Crowley is the one being forced to resign over Bradley Manning." And as David Frum added: "Crowley firing: one more demonstration of my rule: Republican pols fear their base, Dem pols despise it."

Of course, it's also the case in Barack Obama's world that those who instituted a worldwide torture and illegal eavesdropping regime are entitled to full-scale presidential immunity, while powerless individuals who blow the whistle on high-level wrongdoing and illegality are subjected to the most aggressive campaign of prosecution and persecution the country has ever seen. So protecting those who are abusing Manning, while firing Crowley for condemning the abuse, is perfectly consistent with the President's sense of justice.

Also, remember how one frequent Democratic critique made of the Right generally and the Bush administration specifically was that they can't and won't tolerate dissent: everyone is required to march in lockstep? I wonder how that will be reconciled with this.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/03/13/crowley/index.html

Gawsh.

and forcing the President to defend it ... is a firing offense.

Yeah. Good to know.

It is always better to know than to be fooled.

:kick:

That was fast.

http://twitter.com/#!/jaketapper/status/46990116157263872

emptywheel over at FDL threw out Daley as a possibility, too.

of having to defend Manning's treatment at a presser but, :shrug:

Via McClatchy: Clinton, Crowley statements on Crowley's resignation

No one is going to let one of the organization spout off like that.

I completely agree with Crowley but he had to know he couldn't last after he said that.

"I don't want to have people who just agree with me," he said. "I want people who are continually pushing me out of my comfort zone."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1815849,00.html#ixzz1GVaMdPCV

H/t luke_johnson

Crowley is free to "not just agree" now that he's not working for the State Department. It's instructive to see how he's not blaming anyone but himself here in his own statement:

Plus, he can say whatever he wants now that he's no longer working as chief spokesperson for Hillary Clinton.

more evil news..

:-(