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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:15 PM Original message |
Professor Faces Trial For Distributing Jury Nullification Pamphlets |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Free speech, but only for the wealthy. The man's a hero. n/t |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. ...and Westboro Church. Yup we Liberals have the media all sewn up. n/t |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Seems like a free speech issue to me. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. They arrested him on a technicality of "tampering with a jury". |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. Exactly. Imo, it's not tampering |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. How can we have the rule of law if each individual can decide what |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. absolutely |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No, you can appeal judge's decisions |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I suggest you go read the materials on the web site... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. A jury's finding of fact cannot be overturned |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I assume "new evidence" is an exception to that. (And maybe others I forget.) -nt |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Generally, no. |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. New evidence is not an exception |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Even new exonerating evidence is not guaranteed a hearing |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. correct |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. This is why IMO the framers intended the pardon power to be used more than it is |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Generally not (nt) |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Correct. Or there's proof that a juror was bribed or some such egregious |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. No, there isn't |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Not "each" individual. A jury. That's a hell of a lot different. -nt |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Jury nullification is nothing new. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. in the 18th century, jury nullification helped to establish the principle of a free press |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Our system was designed with jury nullification in mind. It is the ultimate check and balance |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. I hope someone distributes pamphlets for his trial. |
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AKDavy (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. Jury nullification has to exist without regard to law |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. she was wrong |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. i always thought jury nullification was a form of civil disobedience |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. It's not on its face illegal |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. She was wrong and should have been asked to step down. |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. Except the judge was wrong |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
7. and people are always shocked when I tell them about it... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm glad this is happening and maybe he wanted it to. |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. check out Fully Informed Jury Association |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Thanks, I will. I used to think it would be illegal |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
12. Just want to add, I am not glad that we are arresting people |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. They'll have a hard time keeping info about J.N. away from THIS trial, that's for sure. -nt |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. heh |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. agreed n/t |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Hopefully, his lawyer will enter said pamphlet as an exhibit, and make |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I would think that the prosecution would have to enter |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Yes, but the Defense shouldn't leave the blowup foamboard to them--n/t |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
23. Jury nullification is healthy and democratic |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. precisely! |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
29. This should be tossed out |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. Jury nullification was instrumental in forming labor unions |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. excellent post, and a big fat kick |
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speltwon (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
34. Case is a travesty and imo |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
42. who defines "eccentric" anyway? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-11 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
49. This is a shocking violation of the First Amendment. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
50. and a kick for Monday. nt |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
51. and one last! |
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