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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:09 PM
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"Minor Meltdown"... No Biggie..move along.. nuttin-to-see-here-folks
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:12 PM by SoCalDem

BUT BUT..did you SEE that bus crash???

Oh yeah..here's a cool You Tube video of the Tsunami..(we've shown you the same ones for 3 days now, but hey....they're too good to not keep showing them.)


And now we'll go to someone on the scene, and interrupt them 16 times & combined with the satellite delay, we'll all learn nada zip zilch, but it's always fun to watch them struggle to complete a sentence..yuk yuk yuk


BREAKING BREAKING LIVE LIVE (oh wait.. that was from Friday..but hey..it got you all juiced up when we first showed it..we'll keep rerunning it with the banner)


and somewhere on the net, cats are playing the piano & dogs are putting tennis balls in their mouths & babies are laughing.. we'll show those videos too.


edit: It WAS nice to see Natalie Allen & Rosemary Church again.. and it was good to have some real news anchors from CNN-I on for a while yesterday & last night.

I have been watching CCTV (265 on Dish) from China. Much better and saner coverage.


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:10 PM
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1. There is no such thing as minor when talking about a meltdown
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:14 PM
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2. That what I was just telling my s/o... "Never in 46 years of life have I heard the words
'minor meltdown' used together to describe a catastrophic nuclear failure."

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:16 PM
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4. The Nuke Lobbyists are busy little beavers, aren;t they?
:grr:
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:28 PM
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13. Well, there are catastrophes, and there are CATASTROPHES.
Chernobyl - that was CATASTROPHE.

Three Mile Island - that was a minor-melt-down catastrophe.

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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:50 PM
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18. Catastrophic???
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:51 PM by rdking647
how many died from the tsunamai.... not how many dies from the "catastrophic failure"

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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:57 PM
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19. We don't yet how many will die because of this. And, yes, CATASTROPHIC!
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:59 PM by Thunderstruck
Anytime a fucking nuclear reactor melts down, it's CATASTROPHIC! I don't give a fuck what you say.

The total death toll from radiation-caused cancer and illness won't be counted for years.
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:19 PM
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22. in other words
hyperbole rules the day.. the quake and tsunami was catastrophic.. compared to that a partial meltdown of the reactor is a blip
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:15 PM
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3. If they start showing the Wisconsin protest
We will know the shit has really hit the fan.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:25 PM
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11. Ain't that the truth!
Then we better all duck and cover... :hide:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:27 PM
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12. Very good point
I wonder if those of us directly downwind should kiss our asses at that moment.

:-)

I am watching RT TV... if there is any spike in radiation, for political reasons, that is where you will hear it first.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:16 PM
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5. "meltdown" = ANY damage to the core, from one without any radiation release
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:17 PM by Hannah Bell
to full meltdown w/ nuke reaction and massive death-dealing radiation release.


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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:18 PM
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8. Nuke lobbyists have convinced our media that it;s just a teensy weensy widdle oopsie
a minor meltdown..:grr:..and these airheads just repeat it..
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:34 PM
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14. i'm not a nuke lobbyist. most people think "meltdown" = chernobyl.
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:34 PM by Hannah Bell
in a crisis, i think it's better to qualify "meltdown" if it is not indeed chernobyl.

i think the current priority is about giving precise information & averting panic, do you disagree?

right now it's not about nuke lobbyists to me, it's about people i know not having to endure more suffering.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:40 PM
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15. The experts who were on at first seemed to indicate that it was looking pretty grim
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:41 PM by SoCalDem
and lately (starting yesterday) the media I have watched (mostly CNN) , has had on people who started using the term "minor meltdown".

I don't think that media does us any favors by turning the Nuclear reactor problems into another "some people say this , and others say that" story, like they do with everything.

Find some experts who know what they are talking about, and report facts.. Evacuation of hundreds of thousands of people in the chaos that already exists is highly suggestive of something pretty major..at least to me, it is.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:44 PM
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16. i said what i said. if you have problems with qualifying the word "meltdown" so as
to most accurately represent the current state of the reactor, please list them.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 08:05 PM
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27. I wish we know the actual current state of the problem
I don't think we have been getting timely information, planned that way or not.

I can guess that you know about it, Hannah, but the term kicked about here today a lot, "Partial meltdown," etc., and I am not a nuke plant supporter nor have I ever worked in that industry, but I did learn by coincidence that the term has been used before:


"The Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station is a nuclear power plant on the shore of Lake Erie near Monroe in Frenchtown Charter Township, Michigan. It is approximately halfway between Detroit, Michigan and Toledo, Ohio. Two units have been constructed on this site. The first unit's construction started in 1963, and the second unit reached criticality in 1988.

The plant is named after the Italian nuclear physicist Enrico Fermi, most noted for his work on the development of the first nuclear reactor as well as many other major contributions to nuclear physics. Fermi won the 1938 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on induced radioactivity.

On October 5, 1966 Fermi 1 suffered a partial fuel meltdown, although no radioactive material was released..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi_Nuclear_Generating_Station


I also learned a new word from one of the experts, I think Simon Brown from Caltech or somewhere when interviewed, used "equilibrate," and I did a double-take. I'm no scientist, but I do know from having worked around lots of engineers and other disciplines related to construction in general and nuke plant and co-generation power plant construction in specific, that there are lots of language uses, words, terms and nomenclature unique to each. Now I can't wait to use it somehow.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.



rdb
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:18 PM
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6. I just went to Russian Television
by the way... they interviewed a public health "expert" who was saying that you too can still take the Iodine pills while being exposed, when ALL recommendations I have read say BEFORE exposure is ideal... and while radiation does dissipate quick... I was going... you do know they are getting spikes on and off right you twit....

Our media IS hard at minimizing... oh and the real precious one... Well people mistrust what the government is saying and they need to be more forth coming.

REALLY?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 07:16 PM
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25. Ideal versus "still useful."
Your thyroid usually has reserve capacity to store more iodine. You'd need to take a lot of multivitamins to max it out.

If you are going to be exposed to radioactive iodine (RAI) for 4 days, that's four days your thyroid could suck up RAI. If you take the KI and load up your thyroid before the four days start, and keep taking it, you retain very little RAI to kill thyroid tissue or help spawn cancer.

If you take the KI on day 2, you still prevent two days' worth of RAI 'storage'. Yeah, you'll lose thyroid tissue. You could get cancer from the RAI. On the other hand, it's certainly less bad than getting four days' dose of the RAI.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:18 PM
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7. Nuclear meltdowns don't have the same visual impact of a tsunami or earthquake.
Edited on Sun Mar-13-11 04:18 PM by Old and In the Way
When those camera's focus on the power plants...what's to see? For the most part, they look no different undergoing a meltdown that they do under normal operation. It's not a story that is made for visuals...the story is technical, the damage is invisible, and most reporting don't have a background in nuclear physics. Those that do, may not be particularly good at communicating the problem in terms that the average public person can understand.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:19 PM
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9. You're suggesting that the bus crash is a distraction from Japan?
:wtf:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:22 PM
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10. no
:hi:
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 04:49 PM
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17. what is a meltdown
the term meltdown refers to any condition where the temperature rises enough so that some of the fuel melts. its caused by a loss of coolant for any reason. unless the entire core melts into a big molten puddle and burns through the bottom of the containment vessel there is little radiation danger form a partial meltdown. the current evacuations are more form a precautionary standpoint.
pouring tons of seawater laced with born onto the core is effective in stopping the reaction and cooling the core. of course it does have the side effect of making the reactor basically unsalvagable in the future
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:09 PM
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20. Coming up next on MSNBC
"Inside Charlie Sheen's World." I shit you not. Right now they're airing "Caught on Camera: Workplace Gone Wild!"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:14 PM
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21. I turned them OFF when Morning Schmo came on last Friday & they started in bashing Obama & Clinton
haven;t turned them on since...well except to see what Alex Witt borrowed from her daughter's closet..and to see how fluffy her Farrah-do was.. then I switched to CCTV (China tv)
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:25 PM
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23. Whatever happened to CNN Headline News?
It used to be that you could tune in anytime and be up to date within thirty minutes. Now it's the Nancy Behar network...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 05:26 PM
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24. schlock-tv 24-7
:grr:
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-11 07:19 PM
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26. K&R for Natalie Allen
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