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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:35 PM Original message |
theory on moms who leave kids and chosen childlessness: it's hard-wired like sexual orientation |
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enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't think that "moms who leave kids" and people (wormen or men) who choose not to have children |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. if the motive is the same, it is. Society might convince someone who wants to be childless |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. So you equate those who chose to be childless... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. delaying or being forced to be childless are not the same as WANTING to be childless |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Why would it be hard to imagine? It's not a freakishly odd thing, it's just not as |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. it was hard to imagine for the person I was responding to |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. No... you have totally misinterpreted what I said... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Your assumptions are insane. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. I didn't say ALL or even most would |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. if we can get beyond the conditioned roles.... all women want kids, are nurturers |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. +1 |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. Are you saying that you need to be convinced that the preference of childless people |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Childless is the norm. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Humans would have died out long ago if "childless" were the norm. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I was born prepubescent... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. if it's a choice, could someone convince you to make a different choice? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Sure. What about people who want to adopt? Lesbians who don't want to have sex with men? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. By those standards, shouldn't we be a world of naked atheists?? |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Exactly. |
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RayOfHope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. So why the reproductive organs? (And I respect your choice, btw). n/t |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. They must be vestigial. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. the majority of people seem to desire to have children. If you could find some stats to refute that |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. You're the one who wants to make some sort of science out of it. What stats are you citing as proof? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
35. +10000 |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's an interesting conjecture |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. A little example |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. that is pretty extreme. here is LA, people wouldn't notice as much |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. I think it's the difference between city living and suburbia |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. the infertile people angle is one reason this interests me |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. I doubt 'knowing' there was or was not a tie, ie hard wiring would help |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. thanks for the thoughtful response. I didn't say there's anything wrong with it, but knowing |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
11. There's nothing wrong with the 13 million in the US |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. My point is to show that pressuring people to have kids may be pointless or even harmful |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. You know, I've never thought it was odd for people to not have kids, but I do |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
42. It is not a whim decision." |
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mikeytherat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. My wife and I aren't childless - we're childfree |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. you are the people I was thinking about. Was there ever a time when you had a burning desire to |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. Another CF couple - never wanted any |
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mikeytherat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
57. Consistent in over 20 years of marriage - we've never been hit with the urge to have kids. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
23. What's your theory on dads who leave kids? |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I hope you made enough popcorn for the class to share. n/t |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. exactly |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. why would someone assume the OP is an attack on the childless or women in particular? |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. because so much socio-biology is bullshit |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. the media picked that woman to fix on and I just used that as an example |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. lol. nevermind |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. why wouldn't it be roughly the same? Especially if dad left wife & kids for new partner who remains |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. Really confused lines about custody... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. the woman I mentioned STATED that she did not want custody, and I was referring solely |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
38. we really have no clue what is hard wired and what isn't |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I agree. the machine metaphor for the brain is outdated |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. we can detect things like impulse control, lying, and what part of the brain light up |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. but that |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
43. Recall an interesting study |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. yeah, I remember a similar study when they figured out how to make monogamous animals |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
50. I was 'born that way' - never wanted children; never had any; never regretted it |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. why did you have two sterilizations? |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
58. Nearing 60, never ever felt a maternal urge. Lots of nieces/nephews |
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CommonSensePLZ (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
59. The gay gene theory is bullshit |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
60. Thanks for thinking that I am "unnatural" |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
61. I Very Much Doubt It's Genetic |
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