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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:10 AM
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Japan reactor 'out of control': EU energy chief
Japan reactor 'out of control': EU energy chief
Reuters · Mar. 16, 2011 | Last Updated: Mar. 16, 2011 11:35 AM ET

BRUSSELS - Europe’s energy chief warned on Wednesday of a further catastrophe at Japan’s nuclear site in the coming hours but his spokeswoman said he had no specific or privileged information on the situation.

“In the coming hours there could be further catastrophic events, which could pose a threat to the lives of people on the island,” Guenther Oettinger told the European Parliament.

“There is as yet no panic, but Tokyo with 35 million people, is the largest metropolis in the world,” he said...

SNIP

...He said the nuclear site was “effectively out of control."

“The cooling systems did not work, and as a result we are somewhere between a disaster and a major disaster,” he said.

http://www.financialpost.com/Japan+reactor+control+energy+chief/4449611/story.html
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:19 AM
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1. on Swedish telly too,I think all 6 units will meltdown,main question-will there will be floor breach
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:23 AM
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2. Looks like entombment is going to have to happen sooner than later. nt
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:28 AM
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3. How soon can entombment be accomplished and how effective is it?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:35 AM
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7. It's a big job - hauling buckets of concrete up in helicopters
and dropping it on the reactors, and it would take weeks.

It's effective in keeping it out of the atmosphere, but all of the highly-radioactive stuff is still below, leaching into groundwater. Which in this case means the ocean.

It could help prevent fires, and possibly help stabilize other reactors, and allow the spent fuel pools to be addressed.

A truly monumental problem we have here.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:29 AM
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5. Yep
Say, aren't you pro nuke?

Do you have any idea of the financial losses that have and will occur?
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:31 AM
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6. also,I see very little reported about fact that all but #6 had the spent fuel rods stored ON TOP of
Edited on Wed Mar-16-11 12:01 PM by stockholmer
.......the containment vessels, and the tops of 3 of the Units containment buildings (especially unit 3, the MOX-fueled one) were blown sky high.

Unit 3 explosion was just massive, and that is the one with the plutonium mix. The videos show so much debris flung upwards.

Remember there are 600,000 of these spent rods between the 6 units.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:38 AM
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9. Yep. See:
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:49 AM
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18. good post, glad too see critical thinking employed
:think:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:38 AM
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10. I believe that explosion was before the containment vessel was compromised
and that radiation levels would be much, much higher if the containment vessel had ruptured before then.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:42 AM
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14. the rods are stored (in GE Mark 1 light bulb-torus containment system)OUTSIDE of the reactor vessel
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:44 AM
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16. I read somewhere they're under several meters of water
but at this point it's anyone's guess.

Ech. I'm getting sick thinking about it.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:54 AM
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19. where would these metres of water be in this?


Unit 3 is on the near left


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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 12:03 PM
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21. In the top photo they would be approximately at the point of the
plume on the right.

Did water keep spent fuel from being ejected in the hydrogen explosion? Who knows, but they're probably boiling the pool like mad right now - hence the steam.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 12:15 PM
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23. Which means that they are probably partially uncovered. And....
my take on the photos is that it's likely that even if more water were added, it would quickly leak out before cooling the tops of the rods.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 12:05 PM
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22. 600,000 of these spent rods between the 6 units
Holy Shit. This was the information I've been thinking about for days. Even I couldn't imagine this number.

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:28 AM
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4. a bit of a tangent, but i thought mexico city was the largest metropolis in the world....
:shrug:
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:37 AM
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8. no, Tokyo metro is 36 million, Mexico City around 24 or 25 million
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:38 AM
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11. Nope. With a population of about 21 million, Mexico City
is the third largest metro area in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:42 AM
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12. gotcha, thanks!
you too, stockholmer!
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:42 AM
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13. TEPCO says it will get power lines into the Daiichi plant today
That is as of the 17th. They haven't done it yet.

If they do get power lines in, they will be able to restore circulation at reactors 5 and 6. What happens on the others depends on the state of the devastation, but engineers and extra pumps arrived more than a day ago. It's power that is their biggest problem along with mounting radiation levels.

So all is not lost yet. Against incredible odds, the workers in there have been balancing some cooling with the necessary venting of radioactive steam to maintain conditions in which work can be done and complete catastrophe is avoided.

The next two days will be crucial, but the statement is not helpful.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:46 AM
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17. Thanks for an ounce of good news.
Damn, it's been hard to come by. :(
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:44 AM
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15. "somewhere between a disaster and a major disaster"
That pretty much sums it up.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 11:57 AM
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20. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, FourScore.
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