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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:21 PM
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For those that criticize the President....
What do you think he should have done differently?

What was absolutely necessary for him to do that he has not done?

Did the times dictate huge change?

Did we get it?

I'm tired of criticizing this President. I have no more energy.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:23 PM
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1. Most of the criticism here is about his policies, not him personally n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:24 PM
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3. Hate the sin...
Love the sinner?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:28 PM
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6. Oh, no. I personally believe he just doesn't know what to do.
I'm sorry. No sane negotiation begins by giving away the store and he does it time after time. It doesn't matter what his policies are because he vitiates them before he begins to discuss them.

And every single time he starts out by believing if he gives into them, the Republicans will support him. That's the definition of insanity.

We have been put in the position of having no one else we can vote for and he knows it. I've gone from mild suspicion to the beginning of real dislike. Notice that I'm still trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:29 PM
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9. What he said.
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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:47 PM
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17. An honest person would show a different face
He should just come out and say he can't get a fucking thing done in our current state, if that is indeed the case.

It would be political suicide, but something has got to be done. We are getting squeezed dry :(
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:06 PM
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23. well
i believe he does "know what to do," he just isn't doing it for one (nefarious) reason or another. we were sold a bill of goods and he knows it....:(
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:24 PM
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2. Obama can do no wrong, why do people pick on him!?

"LEAVE BRITANNIA ALONE!"
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:30 PM
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10. No, he should have harnessed the power of the people who went to bat for him.
Instead of leaving them to be destroyed state by state.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:34 PM
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15. In all seriousness, I agree with your post #6 completely.
Just thought I'd make fun of the 'see no evil' Obama crowd.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:30 PM
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11. And for some, Obama can never do anything right!

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:33 PM
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13. True, they seem to try and counteract the people that believe
Obama can do no wrong...now why is that? :rofl:
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:11 PM
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24. This forum seems to be unusually infested with Greens and may be a few freepers.
The Greens are the most hurtful because their actions seem, to me, equivalent to one sibling hurting another. My call to Greens is to cooperate until the republican party has no prayer of sway nationally, statewide or locally. The estimate is that if republicans are minimized, Greens will have more adherents to their causes and then can seriously work to change the democratic party. For Greens to fight like minded voters now means that circle jerking in politics with continue infinitely.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:24 PM
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4. He should have given everyone a pony
:sarcasm:

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:27 PM
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5. Hey! Kentuck!
What a wonderful OP! I never figured I'd see this from you, but I'm awfully glad for the surprise!

:thumbsup:

:yourock:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:28 PM
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7. Withold any announced decisions on the future of nuclear power
in this country and not double down with statement like was put out today. Even if his policy has not changed, don't be so incredibly deaf to what horror is unfolding in Japan as to chose today to make this announcement: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/secretary-chu-obama-still-supports-expanding-nuclear-plants-in-the-us.html

As to having personal interests, taking time out for sports and family and other things that keep him invigorated, healthy and able to focus, I'm all for it. Just don't pick days like today when the very future survival of so many is as risk to hold photo ops that undermine him as a serious and very engaged leader.

Yup, I still support Obama, but he does frustrate the hell out of me at times.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:29 PM
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8. He shouldn't LIE
When he says something he should mean it...Gitmo is still open, We still have Combat troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan. He did not side with American workers when their collective bargaining rights were threatened as he said he would on more than one occasion. Just don't fucking LIE........He allowed tax cuts for the very wealthy to be extended after campaigning on just the opposite. Oil corporations are still getting billions in Federal subsidies...There is actually a quite long list of things promised and then abandoned...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:33 PM
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14. Oh, I voted for him knowing he was a liar.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:31 PM
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12. Y'know, he probably didn't DO anything wrong. But it just looked
like the most important thing in the world to him at that moment was college basketball.

How long did it take him to do it? I don't know and I don't care.

Did it take him away from more important "work"? Maybe, or maybe not.

Here's the point, at least for me: When you're the titular "leader of the free world" you shouldn't give -- or allow your handlers to let you give -- the impression that you're not taking the issues of the free world seriously.

Much of this has to do with perception and image. If the president wants to make his picks and even bet on them, I really don't care. I don't care who he picks in the NBA playoffs, in spring training or anything else. I don't want him to be my buddy. I want him to be my president, especially when there are serious crises going on.

When he takes time out from being the leader of the free world to engage in a photo/sports op, it pisses me off. That's not what I want him to be doing. Do I expect him to solve every crisis with a snap of his fingers? No. But I don't want him to be Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley can be Charles Barkley.

Someone wrote today that well, he's not the president of Japan for crying out loud. Maybe not, but when the Pentagon is gearing up for dealing with the crisis and radiation monitors are being moved to Hawaii and the west coast, then that means at least some of the crisis has reached home territory.

We had eight years of the guy everyone thought would be fun to have a beer with. We don't need more of the same.



Tansy Gold
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GatesofPunk Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:36 PM
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16. Exactly
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:49 PM
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18. I would be happy if President Obama did just half of what Candidate Obama
said he would do.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 05:54 PM
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19. Stand UP and be a PROUD and Fierce advocate for...
..traditional Democratic Party Values.

Stop praising Reagan, and start channeling LBJ and FDR,
Instead of pandering to Republicans, welcome their hatred!
stand UP in no ambiguous terms for these majorities:


Remember these "Democrats" and become their champion:
"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being."---FDR


Remember the words and example of Harry Truman!
""I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."



"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone



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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 06:01 PM
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20. Ah, how sad to be reminded of Paul Wellstone!
It's beyond a pity - beyond a crying shame! - that we lost him!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:02 PM
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21. Well said!
It could be applied to a number of our dems, but starts at the top.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:05 PM
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22. Stop compromising with repubs before the debate even starts.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:19 PM
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25. Not much is possible in the domestic economy with the tax cut
extensions. From that, the right gets all its arguments and ammunition concerning cuts and talking points. With the majorities we had, we should have had an adequate stimulus. But too many Democrats are in with the Republicans on economic theory. A stronger regulatory regime for the financial industry. But again, same problem. Change in that arena was rendered moot. In foreign policy and law, about everything opposite of what he has done. Questions?
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:24 PM
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26. I think he should have stood up to the repukes on the healthcare program
and not caved to thier desire to water it down.

I think he should have put single payer on the table, explained to all the Americans what it was, how it affected them and why it was the right thing to do. He didn't

I think he should have sent af1 to Gitmo, pulled the detainees out of there, either sent them to their own countries or given them trial here in either military or civilian courts under the rules of the Geneva Convention if they are to be treated as POWs. He didn't.

I think he should have pushed for stronger rules for bank foreclosures. When the robo signers were discovered and the notary fraud uncovered he should have unleashed the DOJ to pursue all cases large and small. He didn't

I think he should have followed thru with his promise to wind down both wars and remove the troops. He didn't (but then again, who wants 165K troops without jobs in the homeland?)

I think he should have kicked jeb bush in the ass instead of holding him out as a beacon of light in education reform.

The times after * are hard enough. To realize I was played for a sucker with all the fancy speechifying does nothing but piss me off further.

Did we get what? Screwed? Yes Lied to? Yes. Do I think it will change? No.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 07:54 PM
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27. I'm tired too but he continues to inspire criticism.
1. He accepted the perspective of the high powered CEO'S to be paramount.

2. He believes or pretends to believe that the Republicans have valid and beneficial policy prescriptions.

3. He pretends not only that the Republicans are willing to negotiate but that they negotiate in good faith.

4: Instead of flushing the Third Way type turds he elevated them and took on their philosophy, one not dissimilar but more sober and sane than the opposition.

5. By accepting the Third Way/Reagan dynamic he abandoned all effort of direct government action in the economic emergency.

6. Is incredibly adverse to accountability or even investigation of the crimes of the wealthy and highly placed.

That is just to start as you well know.

So...

Of course.

Clearly, if it isn't too late already.

Status quo in effect.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 08:22 PM
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28. Criticizing one's government when indicated is one of the best things that any citizen can do
for his/her country.

I certainly can understand being tired of criticizing him. But someone has to do it.

To answer your question, I believe that there is a great long list of things he should have done differently. I've talked about them on a number of occasions - here are some:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=31514
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=9551822
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5348458
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