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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 10:50 AM
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Colleges and Universities that Allow Guns on Campus (a list)

http://www.armedcampuses.org/


Colleges and Universities that Allow Guns on Campus
A Guide for Students and Parents


The overwhelming majority of colleges and universities in the United States of America prohibit the carrying of firearms on their campuses. These gun-free policies have helped to make our postsecondary education institutions some of the safest places in the country. For example, a 2001 study by the U.S. Department of Education found that the overall homicide rate at postsecondary education institutions was 0.07 per 100,000 students in 1999.1 By comparison, the criminal homicide rate in the United States as a whole was 5.7 per 100,000 persons overall in 1999, and 14.1 per 100,000 for persons ages 17 to 29. Another study conducted by the Department of Justice found that 93% of violent crimes that victimize college students occur off campus.2

Despite the success of these gun-free policies, an increasingly extreme pro-gun movement in the United States has been active in advocating for legislation (and litigation) to force colleges and universities to allow guns on campus. As a result, 25 two- and four-year schools across the country now allow the carrying of firearms on their premises (i.e., campus grounds, classrooms, dormitories, etc.). They are as follows:

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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 11:24 AM
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1. It would be useful to know whether those 25 schools have experienced an
increase in on-campus violence and/or accidents due to legal firearms-carrying, compared to schools that have bans, and compared to a time before the restriction was eased...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:29 PM
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2. Reliable statistics require large samples. There's only a handful of schools here, and many are
just small community colleges. Numbers of actual persons carrying on campus would matter, as would the total number of other people (classmates, for example) who know about those weapons and might have easy access to them. Policy matters too: in Michigan, for example, "firearms <are> not allowed in campus buildings"

There are significant possibilities for violence on campus. Students sometimes leave suicide notes in exam papers. Students sometimes assault instructors over course grades. Boyfriends sometimes threaten instructors when their girlfriends don't like classes

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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:15 PM
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3. Statistical analysis of small samples and rare events is difficult but not impossible
Twenty five schools with some number of students and a policy in place for some number of years does allow for reasonable statistical comparison with the university world as a whole, or with a random sample of similar schools with similar characteristics.

The article cited by the OP seems to be attempting a quantitative argument, crediting low rates of on-campus violence as "the success of gun-free policies." But without even a raw count of relevant violent events at these non-gun-prohibited campuses, all we have available for assessing the policies is faith and guesswork (in other words, that frequently-appealed-to 'common sense')...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 05:14 PM
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4. Nope: can't analyze rare events with small samples. There are something like 15 - 25
on-campus homicides in a typical year, spread over thousands of campuses with millions and millions of students. That translates to a rate of maybe 0.2 per 100 000 students per year and 0.5 per 100 average-sized campuses per year

The first college on the list, Arapaho Community College, has an enrollment of about 7500: one might expect about one homicide there per 100 years. Michigan State in East Lansing, near the middle of the list, has an enrollment of about 45 000: one might expect about eight homicides there per 100 years. Blue Ridge Community College, at the end of the list, has an enrollment of about 2000: one doesn't even expect even one homicide there per 100 years. Most of the 25 schools on the list are on the small side, so expect at most 20 - 30 homicides for the whole list over a century: that is, something like one per listed campus per hundred years -- probably a gross over-estimate since community college students usually spend most of their time off-campus

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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:44 PM
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5. It doesn't have to be only homicide though, right? Assault, accident, threatening,
brandishing, classroom disruption - all of that would be relevant in this context, and I'm not convinced that these data are completely un-analyzable. But even if they are, the raw data will still be descriptive, and without the data we can't really say what we can (or can't) do statistically. Heck, for all we know these 25 campuses have been riddled with bullets over the past few years...

On a side note, if we truly can't do any meaningful comparison between gun-yes and gun-no campuses, then the assertion cited in the OP becomes unsupported. The column credits on-campus safety to gun bans, but without a comparison to gun-allowing schools, that linkage is based solely on assumption.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:48 PM
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6. Shame on people
who are active in advocating for legislation that protects our Constitutional rights.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:50 PM
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7. IBTMTTG n/t
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