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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:51 PM
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U.S. Declines to Give Details on Radiation Levels at Facility
Source: Market Watch

WASHINGTON—U.S. government officials, in private sessions on Capitol Hill Friday, repeatedly declined to give details of radiation measurements at the stricken Japanese nuclear complex, saying the situation is shrouded in a "fog of war."

Separately, the Obama administration said Friday "miniscule quantities" of radiation from the Japanese nuclear accident were detected Friday at a monitoring station in Sacramento, Calif., a day after similar traces of radiation were detected in Washington state. The administration said the levels of the radioactive isotope xenon 133 were approximately equivalent to one-millionth the dose received from the sun, rocks or other natural sources.

The Obama administration's reluctance to detail in public what it is learning from radiation-detection operations around the damaged Fukushima Daiichi complex in Japan highlights a broader sensitivity in the U.S.'s posture toward a stricken ally. The shift comes after statements Wednesday by the head of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission that painted a grimmer picture of the nuclear crisis than Japanese officials had offered, and suggested that the U.S. didn't trust the information coming from the Japanese government.

NRC officials told congressional staffers in a briefing Friday that their information about radiation levels around the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex is fluid, and declined repeatedly to release detailed data, saying the information they have isn't reliable enough to share.

more: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/accurate-information-hard-to-come-by-us-says-2011-03-18
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:52 PM
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1. Believe you me, I've noticed the silence. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:54 PM
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2. Telling that they won't even say what range has been detected even.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:56 PM
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4. Governments lie. Theirs, ours - all of them. I guess they have to protect something
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 05:57 PM by nc4bo
or are afraid of having to defend something or be responsible for some thing.

Guess we can call this one lying by omission.

Wonder what it is.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:03 AM
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19. three to four weeks for iodine to really show up
in milk. In theory they should test it... in reality... I doubt it.

That ist he long range by the way.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:56 PM
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3. Shrouded in a fog of something. alright.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 07:11 AM
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31. Or a stench.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:56 PM
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5. It's one kajillion the amount you would get from microwaving a bag of popcorn.
So shut up, quit being concerned. Go shopping! Also, the Gulf seafood is safe to eat.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 06:01 PM
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8. 'Gulf seafood is safe to eat'
:rofl: It is either laugh or cry and at this point I am out of tears for my Gulf of Mexico, I weeped like a child but I know that won't change anything. Tears never do nor does sorrow. I will never swim in its waters again. Have no idea what I am going to do in Port A this year. Maybe we should just go to Houston this year...it has been a longtime since I've seen 'home'.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:30 AM
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24. and after we've eaten our Corexit Gulf shrimp...
...we can travel to the New York hospitals and have dessert with the
firemen and police officers who worked at 'ground zero' after 9/11
and were told that the air was safe.

Then we can do more shopping...then watch Idol!

*sigh* ...we must laugh or all we do is cry!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:07 PM
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32. :nodding:
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:58 PM
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6. A load of patronizing horseshit
Just TELL us! It's better than sitting here wondering.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 11:50 PM
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15. I bet No. 3 is melting down and it would cause panic in Tokyo to let that out
that would mean they detected plutonium
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:58 PM
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7. It's a fog of war, all right.
The war of the governments against the people.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 11:49 PM
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14. Yes, unfortunate choice of words, war is not being able to protect ones family
due to the inconvenience it might cause a government.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 06:12 PM
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9. I don't know the number, but the text next to all the zeros and commas reads "Fucked"
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 06:12 PM
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10. !
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Arcana Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 11:10 PM
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11. Maybe I'm not so crazy after all?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:06 AM
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20. No you are not,
but at the distance we are... it is the particles not the radiation.

Think of this in the following analogy... the radiation cloud is wind, the particles are dust.

The rads will be really low, as in ridiculously low. Time (of exposure) and distance (it diffuses exponentially)

The worst worry is plutonium, which is relatively heavy and should not make it across the pacific. Now tokyo is fucked.

Of course should not does not mean that it won't. Stranger things have happened.

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Arcana Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:17 AM
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27. Plutonium oxide is lighter and was said to have been present in Sweden after Chernoybl .
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:27 AM
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28. Sweeden is much closer than we are.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 11:43 PM
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12. Kick and recommend
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 11:49 PM
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13. I wonder if they want to see what the Japanese say
and match that with what they have to see where to go strategically.

As in, it can help them formulate a response.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:02 AM
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18. Some of that has to be going on
I believe we have flown drones over it (with sniffers) and the Navy is flying sniffer birds near this...
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 11:59 PM
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16. WTF???? k&r
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:01 AM
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17. Realize Japan has refused to supply those numbers to begin with
countries are complaining about that.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:32 AM
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25. then what are these, nadin? from the presser on the 16th.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:34 PM
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34. I opened it, but the text was Japanese
So I couldn't tell what the numbers meant.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 02:20 AM
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35. discussion here. numbers were linked after one of the tepco pressers.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 02:32 AM by Hannah Bell
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x659480

tepco has distributed such handouts to press at almost all of their pressers. it's simply not true that they didn't release any numbers. maybe the numbers are inaccurate or even faked -- who knows? but it's simply undebatable that they indeed HAVE released numbers.

Actually, anyone in the world can watch the TEPCO pressers: there's been multiple live links to the conference room for days, e.g. here:

http://yokosonews.com/live/

Press Conference Live Casts
Live feeds of TEPCO and other press conference provided by independent journalists in Japan

Independent Web Journal Ch.1 - Usually TEPCO
http://iwakamiyasumi.com/ustream-schedule/ustream1

Independent Web Journal Ch.2 - Usually TEPCO (different cam)
http://iwakamiyasumi.com/ustream-schedule/ustream2

Independent Web Journal Ch.3 - Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan
VideoNews.com Live - Various Press Conferences (especially Foreign Press Club)

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:14 AM
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21. Then it is bad. Simple as that.
We all know this dog and pony show. It means bad. Not good.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:23 AM
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22. I don't know how it couldn't be bad: 4 reactors and reactor pools
in various stages of possible meltdown or containment breach. Firefighters spraying water on a reactor while helicopters can only make one pass to drop water because of the radiation. And there is no end in sight for any containment of the spent fuel pools. Yeah, it's bad.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:30 AM
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23. Interesting how the "fog of war" seems more like the cone of silence
BTW, I clicked on the link and got a "story not found."

Searched on the title words and found this link instead:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704608504576208840531837916.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


Oh and K&R
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 06:52 AM
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30. That's weird. Thanks for the updated link.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 12:41 AM
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26. Watching Anderson Cooper and Sanjay Gupta tonight was surreal
They were talking about the reactors and trying to reconcile what they were told today with what they had been told over the last week. It was obvious that they both realized the official stories have been bullshit. I would not be surprised if they both come back to the US this weekend since they now know that Japan is not a healthy place to visit.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 01:33 AM
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29. Wait you mean to tell me that Ann Coulter is wrong
:hi:

I still find her statements stupid and funny, and sadly I know what she was talking about.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 03:27 PM
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33. Looks like we're on a "need to know basis," and they don't think we need to know.
:thumbsdown:
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