UN Security Council? Arab League? See WHO voted?? A load of CRAP

Anyone who cites either the Arab league or UN Security council simply does not know
(or is deliberately pretending not to) how modern Geopolitics works.

1. A 10 TO 5 UN Security council vote means US and Allies. It always has. The only question is
whether the US can strong-arm Russia and China not to VETO. FIVE ABSTENTIONS MEANS THAT REST OF THE WORLD OPPOSED and could not be bribed by any amount of promises.

2. The post Bush 1 and Bush 2 Wars has created and "Arab League" which is only the puppets of
Western interest and Oil Potentates (who hate Gaddafi). Nothing more. The opposition block in the Arab league used to be Iraq, Libya, Yemen and Syria. All significant opposition has been neutralized in the last 10 years.


No one called for a vote from the African Union or the UN General Assembly. It would have have been overwhelmingly defeated.

The whole thing has been ORCHESTRATED for calculated Western Interest and it is a shame to see progressives swallowing the crap.

Let him Slaughter! Protestor Blood Now!!!!11!

and it's bullshit. nobody is saying that. we don't have to bomb the country to oppose the bad guy. and if we oppose the bombing it does NOT mean we love the bad guy.

your mr ghadaffi just wants to give them some candy i suppose.

and if that candy happens to blow the poor bastards to bits, that makes it even better for him

BIG bullshit on that.

Kind of a freeperish thing to do

Well...

Beaides not everyone can be a Hemingway like you...

"YeeHaw! Start the bombing!"

If they could cite just ONE instance of a US Military Intervention in the Middle East ending well,
I would be willing to listen.
ALL have either ended badly, or not ended at all.

What happens AFTER we start killing people in Libya (yesterday)?
How THE FUCK do we end it?

I have. And it hasn't changed...except for it's misuse on DU.

You can have your point of view and opinion, but please let facts stand.

and i said he was genocidal (wishing to kill everyone) not that he was sucessful thats why were there to stop it.

of course your ilk doesnt really care either way. youi just want to turn around and let it happen

And that you'd rather hurl insults.

Not that I want to put words in YOUR mouth.

We can stand around and watch like we did with Rwanda or we can do something about it, and personally I am not ready to watch another atrocity that we have the power to stop. For the record I am and have always been against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and everyone who was killed in those wars died needlessly, but the Libyan people are asking for help from the world, are we just going to stand by and say o sorry we have our own stuff to do this week, good luck with your crazy dictator though? If we did that I could never trust anyone in this country ever again.

And if you say OIL I will put you on ignore for ignorance.

Tunisia, Egypt...

the Kings Dictators Puppets Leaders of these western imperialist franchises countries need a WIN against the rabble

I am not terribly interested in a claim from a state senator from Alaska on your local tv show when you can not find a source for the info or explain it. It just sounds like another Alaskan pushing "DRILL BABY DRILL".

I already asked you - taxes who on what? Do you have an answer now?

No matter what the price of oil, it is taxed at 98%. Questions?

I'm trying to find a link to the show he was on. I'm sure it will still fail your standards but try to fight the urge to scoff.

When the producer sells a barrel at $100 the Lybian government gets $98 of those dollars. Right?

They have some of the highest taxes in the world.

not a tax

Taxes are for the entire amount .

No

How do oil royalties work?

to the West for decades. His constant rants against both western machinations and the
excesses of the Arab oil potentates have marked him a dangerous element.

The type of oil exploration deals that Libya has offered has been very restrictive (ala Chavez)
and has stymied major long-term plans for a major energy infrastructure plans linking
North African gas and solar potential to Southern Europe (via a links through Spain).

Libya has always been the lynch-pin of those plans (has most of the Gas reserves in Africa) and
Gaddafi's regime has always been view as a big problem.

what exactly does that mean

Military action against Lybia has garnered so much support ... which means such action is wrong.

Anyway, why not hate Gaddafi? I, for one, am thrilled to see the brutal regimes in Iraq, Libya, Yemen and Syria neutralized. Here's to hoping they are "neutralized" even more in the coming years. The "Western Interest" *is* your interest, whether you choose to admit it or not.

Nonsense. voting

"The post Bush 1 and Bush 2 Wars has created and "Arab League" which is only the puppets of
Western interest and Oil Potentates (who hate Gaddafi). "

More nonsene.

Unlike Bush's illegal invasion, the Arab league backs the no-fly zone.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm

I do not think that South Africa, Portugal, Lebanon, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Colombia, Nigeria are US allies.

The Arab League was the first body to call for a no-fly zone. In fact, if you read the news, it would NOT have happened if the Arab League had not called for it. Obama was not on board until very late.

Btw, the AVAAZ petition for a no-fly garnered close to 2 million international votes. Each time a person signed, their name was sent to the UN.

Beside the fact that the Libyans across all towns and cities were calling for it day after day.

The head of the interim government in eastern Libya pleaded Wednesday for the international community to move quickly to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, declaring that any delay would result in more casualties.

"It has to be immediate action," Mustafa Abdul-Jalil told CNN in an exclusive interview in this eastern opposition stronghold.

After the uprising began February 15, Abdul-Jalil was among the government officials who broke with the regime.

Do you have links to the East faction calling for it for years?

US. Of course it is a member of the EU as well. That's it. NATO members are our allies.

What is your agenda?

You oppose the decision. I get that. You think Mr. Gaddafi isn't the bad guy many other people do- I get that.

What's with the reverse propaganda?

Their concern was that the resolution would lead to deeper involvement. They were not opposed in principal, however. China and Russia were a little different on that front.

70 years ago (or so), and maybe they don't want to steer the (old, for most) pot.

No UN country has voted against this action.

You do realize that abstaining is not the same as voting "NO", right?

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And don't want to mess it up by choosing sides. God the shit that comes out of people's mouths here. China had 35,000 workers there! More than 5 billion USD worth of investments and interests too. The USA dithered on this for weeks. DOn't give the standard "Oh, CIA, USA interest" garbage from the "College activists handbook" again.

Congratulations. :tinfoilhat:

Oh and, if this is such a screwover of the Arabs, how come we don't see them out in the streets by the thousands anywhere, demonstrating against taking action in Libya? Isn't that kind of ODD? I don't think they'd hesitate to shake their fists at us, if they were so against it.

Seems to me, it's only certain Westerners and Quaddafi's friends who are against it. Wonder why that is?

on Public opinion in the street.

BTW. It is part of Western racism to keep pretending that Libya is not an African country and Libya was not recently the head of the African Union.

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Truth will out

What do you mean by "no one"?

'Permanent' members of the UNSC are the big five nuclear powers - the US, the lap-dog of the US, the French, the Russians and the Chinese....all the non-permanent members are subject to rotating terms and have no veto over authorizations of force....

The bribes are running thick and heavy -

As much as the US protests about the UN - it is all a charade - UNSC is a subsidiary of US interests.

The best representation of the world body/was in the UNGA - UN General Assembly. Leaders of that voting block were formerly India, Yugoslavia and Egypt - the Yugoslavian leadership went away after Tito died.

Thank you Distant Observer for your clear and eloquent post!

UN security council with 5 abstentions means the US and it's allies.