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Dangerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:09 PM Original message |
We have no right to interfere in a civil war. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. We were faced with the massacre of too many innocents. They needed help and that is why we are there |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The Onion called. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. That is not an argument. nt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. Massacres and genocides are hilarious. Got it. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Then why |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. R2P wasn't implemented then. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. BTW, we tried Burma but China and Russia said no. |
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anarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. well, maybe we need to try again, since everyone is in such a humanitarian frame of mind |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. I know. We are so altruistic, aren't we? That was the same reason |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Only one of the reasons and it was not the same as this. We are responding |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. Another fact we keep forgetting... Iraqis did NOT ask for intervention from the UN. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. Well, if that is the only reason we are there, what about the |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Do they have a substantial rebellion on going in the Ivory Coast? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Of course, supporters of the elected president are rebelling |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
77. Libya did not have |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. What "innocents"? This is now an armed rebellion. |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. These rebels would not be armed had they not been attack by Qaddafi. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
65. But they are now. Now they're not innocent, vulnerable non-combatants |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
73. Yemen's largest miitary force defected illegally. If there are clashes... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I feel that we should not intervene |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Truth is we hardly ever cared about genocide before |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Then why hasn't the US/NATO intervened in the US/NATO occupation of Afghanistan? |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. We are mending and leaving the mistake and mess of Afghanistan. |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. mending what?? "surge" means escalation, not "mending and leaving" |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The surge is over. Isn't it? Aren't we withdrawing now? |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. ...No. |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Okay. It's on it's way. But Repubs are contesting. Of course. |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Talk from American politicians is cheap, particularly when actions betray aforementioned "talk" |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. It's crazy. I agree with you, yet I see this as a real option to this situation. |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Then Bahrain must be next |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. If the resistance is strong enough, many are being killed and the |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Bull shit |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
72. Yemen is currently a better example, 60% of the military defected, illegally. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. what are we, freaking superman or something?? |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. Psst... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. And if I am not mistaken the French gave us a bit of help. That said |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Fine for our country, but not their's? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
47. And, the French and Brits almost "helped" again in the other civil war..the South that is. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. Noone bothers to read the UN Charter, it seems. Usurping the UN |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Yes it is. Inter- and intranational conflicts have historically sucked in the larger world. nt. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. Not a right, an obligation. Pursuant to Chapter VII, Articles 39-51 of the UN Charter. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Thank you |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Yep. Ironically for the OP, what we have is more than a right... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. +1 |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. As a life long pacifist, this Libyan thing has me in a spin |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Exactly. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
54. Again, a major difference... the Iraqis did NOT ask the UN for a no fly zone. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
52. Thank you for your honest and reasonable reply! We are ALL conflicted. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
56. Same feelings -- by the time things reach this point, many options are gone .... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Almost 700 people were murdered in Egypt, if it escalated to the level Libya has... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. Egypt and Tunisia |
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Iterate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
20. If indeed it was a civil war, |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. And what results is something the CIA termed "blowback" |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
22. We do. Unless you are Bolton and want to dissolve the UN |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
25. I completely agree |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
30. Nope. None of us |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
32. U.N. authorization creates that right. |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. I agree. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
33. Says who? You? n/t |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
37. im glad the UN and arab league is more sane than you |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
43. But..but..it worked ever so well in Vietnam and is working ever so well in Afghanistan. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
44. Amen! Fuck those unarmed civilians! |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Hey. You forgot the sarcasm icon. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Hoped I didn't need it. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. The no fly zone |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
49. I can see it that way too,but we are here to help too. Maybe not with a |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
53. Libya isn't a "civil war" -- it's an uprising of the people to get rid of a dictator .... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. "long propped up by the US" = lol. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. It's very well known that Gaddafi was kept in power by the CIA. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. indeed? |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. "...Libya's ``cooperation on intelligence is strong and getting stronger,..'' |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Thank you -- this was Bush administration "normalizing" relations with Libya and more -- !! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. +1 |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
66. I agree. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
69. Would you say the same if Egypt or Yemen escalated to the same level Libya has? |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
75. if we did nothing.... |
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