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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:31 PM Original message |
Obama: "The President does not have the power |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. the "reasoning" is that it's a coalition effort |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. That is absurd "reasoning" |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
44. then find a better quote, and stop comparing one country getting on board |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. But under the Constitution the President can't go to war without a declaration by Congress. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. Why don't you go check out posts from yesterday? |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. I'm with you. It has been explained,and explained,and explained. |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. The only thing that I can gather from this thread |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I just pulled out an old bottle of Pimm's Cup No. 3. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. this was a post from yesterday |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
93. Pres Obama violated the US Constitution. Bush asked Congress to go to war with Iraq. nm |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Rec. but the UN said so, so we MUST do it |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, they lied or never meant what they said |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Perhaps Brazil was in imminent threat, we just don't know.... |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. The president has 60 days to ask Congress. |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. I'm not asking how the action can be justified under the |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:44 PM Original message |
See my earlier post to you on this thread |
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Sonicwall (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
37. * failed to invoke the War Powers Act |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Dems took impeachment off the table and now we need to look forward :( n/t |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
70. But Watch The Repug House Move To Impeach Obama For This...... |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Read it yourself, it specifically states that an attack or threat of attack against the US.... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
58. The President has 60 days IF and only IF he orders military operations IF the U.S. is under attack |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
72. Maybe Obama Thinks This Libya Thing Will Be Over In Less Than 60 Days.......nt |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
7. when bush did it DU was aflame lol nt |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
8. The threat is a lack of oil. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. Non-flame-bait question: Does this participation constitute an act of war? Thanks. nt |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Say 126 missiles, etc., hit the US, launched by a sovereign nation |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. That's not what I meant - I mean technically, legally, constitutionally, does this |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Yes, absolutely it is |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. I should have explained my question better -- according to the Constitution, |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
110. It's up to the political branches, and by extension us, to determine that. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. Since congress passed the Iraq War Resolutions things are much more vague. /nt |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. OH NOES, a politician told me what I want to hear... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
115. ! |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
14. Oh, OUCH! Man...words on video....always have a way of coming back |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
15. This, Sir, is Enforcement Of A United Nations Security Council Resolution |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Since all UN resolutions are binding, and automatically compel our actions, no? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Security Council Resolutions, Sir, If Passed, Are The Dictate Of International Law |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. No |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. No Way In Hell, Sir, Would The U.N. Ever Authorize The U.S. To Bomb Iran On Spec |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. I refer you to the recent Security Council resolution on Gaza aid |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. With all due respect, Sir, U.N. resolution 242 (November 22, 1967) |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. That Resolution, Sir |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. But does render such laws as hypocritical by nature. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. You Have Not, Surely, Sir, Only Just Discovered Enforcement Of Law Is Steeped In Hypocrisy? |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
91. An enforcer of one law that ignores another |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. But Still Can Make An Arrest Or Press A Prosecution, Sir, Whether You Trust It Or No |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Which makes it no less corrupted. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. the dictate of international law? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. The United Nations Does Not Declare War, Sir |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
92. you didn't answer my point. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. You Made No Point, Sir; You Conjured A Preposterous Hypothetical |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
95. That doesnt trump the US Constitution. nm |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
103. I don't think there's any such distinction between Security Council Resolutions |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. "Unilateral" in Mr. Obama's answer was referring to |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Again, Sir, This Is Not What The Present Situation Is |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. So your position is that |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. An excellent point. |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. You are all over the map on this one. |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. That was my point as well. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. You Are Invited, Sir, To Examine The History Of Armed Force Employed By the United States |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Thus the enactment War Powers Resolution in an attempt to curb illegal military adventures. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Which It Has Not Succeeded In Doing, Ma'am, And Will Not Succeed In Doing |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:57 AM Response to Reply #67 |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
78. A few more examples |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
96. I agree that there are many. BUT THEY ALL ARE VIOLATIONS OF THE US CONSTITUTION.......sir. nm |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. And Have Been Engaged In For Just About As Long As The Constitution Has Existed, Sir |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
108. That does not make it right. I want the president to ask Congress before military intervention..sir |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #33 |
74. I'd like an answer to that question |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
68. Participation is not required, and even if it did, national law takes precedence |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. It Is Binding International Law, Sir |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:55 AM Response to Reply #71 |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 03:01 AM Response to Reply #71 |
113. No. The Constitution supersedes Treaties; a Congressional Declaration or Authorization is necessary |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. + |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
94. It still is in violation of the US Constitution. nm |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
19. It is explained on the DU link below |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
69. The First and Second Barbary Wars were BOTH authorized by Congress |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Not, Sir, Until Well After Naval Forces had Been Dispatched With Orders To Engage |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Yes, but this was after the Pasha of Tripoli declared war |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. To Me, Sir, It Seems A Step Forward That The U.N. Accepts Preventing Atrocity As Grounds For Action |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
104. Agreed, but the threshold should be quite, quite high, or it's prone to abuse |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Here is the full quote from another website |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. And another interesting comment quote ... |
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yourout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
20. Obama the "Candidate" was replaced with a pod version to be Obama the "President" |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. LOL! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. He's right |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
26. He has to earn the Nobel somehow |
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Sonicwall (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
32. So what? |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Bush asked for and received the Iraq War Resolution from |
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Sonicwall (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. But he did not ask for the invocation of the war powers act |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Uh, I think your history and math are not right |
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Sonicwall (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Yes, I know what a trillion is |
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Sonicwall (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Are you a Chimp guy? |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. You sound a bit bloodthirsty |
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Sonicwall (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
107. I want a purge of corporatists. And I don't care how it's done |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
39. Yay! Three wars going on at once!! |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 02:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
79. In reality, it's just ONE big war for one thing. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:48 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. This isn't about oil. It really is about freedom. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. That's what has been predicted |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. "unilaterally" |
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Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. "unilaterally" |
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RickFromMN (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
42. Yes...oil. We fight wars because of oil. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
55. "unilateral" |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
66. That was SENATOR Barack Obama...This is PRESIDENT Barack Obama |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
77. He's probably not right. The minutes of the Constitutional Convention |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 04:46 AM Response to Reply #77 |
86. You don't seem to understand the concept of war. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:02 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Bollocks. Not every "conflict between states" is war. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
102. +1. Very well put. nt. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
82. "Do as I say not as I do" seems to be the motto of this administration. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
83. Impeach him by his own words? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 05:08 AM Response to Original message |
89. Nonsense. Two points: |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Has this been tested against the US Constitution? nm |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #89 |
105. From the text: |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
106. Why does everyone forget that this isn't against Libya... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-11 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
109. Nothing inconsistent here |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-22-11 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
111. He must have forgotten Poland. nt |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. ! |
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