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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:24 AM
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Poll question: Agree or Disagree: America is "capable of achieving everything that is good and great."
This is from a wrongheaded article on American Exceptionalism, ( http://townhall.com/columnists/luritadoan/2011/03/21/liberals_giving_up_on_american_exceptionalism/page/full/ ) but was curious what you thought of this phrase. The whole line is "Americans deserve a president who believes that we are an exceptional nation, capable of achieving everything that is good and great." I did say it was wrongheaded, didn't I? And that's far from the most wrong headed bit).

Bryant
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:29 AM
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1. We can be great if we outlaw excessive greed.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:40 AM
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4. Can't outright outlaw human nature.
We can, however, make excessive greed very expensive and/or seem like a very bad idea.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:41 AM
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6. Thanks for claifying, that's what I meant. nt
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:29 AM
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2. Disagree because that ain't what "American exceptionalism"" means
The term refers to the fact that we are the exception to the laws and conditions that govern all the other nations in the world.

In other words we don't have to obey no stinking Geneva Conventions.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:48 AM
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9. Phrases mean multiple things. I agree that many writers use American Exceptionalism to mean that
Others (like this weeks) use it to mean that America is the "bestest nation ever!" And then others say we should be an exception to the rules and laws because we are so very very awesome.

Bryant
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:34 AM
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3. America, because of it's being the last surviving superpower, is both great, and frail.
It is capable of the worst, and the best of humanity. And our cowboy way mentality, offers the world some things it would not have if not for loonies. We have neocons who still wnat to impliment PNAC. Obama is NOT one of them. The pressures of continuity must be enormous. Principle against inertia, inertia often wins.

I shove on Obama as hard as anyone. But, I understand the job too.
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:40 AM
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5. We are not a republic anymore, but an oligarchy....
which is based on inequality and unfairness. "Justice for all" does not apply to 75% of our population. We have become the nation of morons waiting for the rich to trickle down, but it isn't going to happen. I was born at the beginning of WW2, and never remember this country in such a sorry mess.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:48 AM
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7. I am the lone 'totally agree' vote and I'll tell you why
This country has done great things....amazing things.....when we still had our priorities straight. Are we the ONLY country capable of this? NO.

If we can get our heads out of our asses, pull back the corporatism that rules us and get back to the idea that we are all dependent on each other for our survival and well being we can do great things again. we still have an amazing amount of raw talent in this country that are more than ready and willing to get us back to being a great country.

I believe when we are at our best, we are an exceptional people. Unfortunately, we haven't been at our best for nearly 40 years. It's taken 40 years of corporate/republican despotism to get us where we are now and it will take some time (hopefully not another 40years) to get it back. And that will only happen if we end corporate personhood and put the rethugs back in their hole.

But yes, I do still believe that we are capable of achieving everything that is good and great.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:00 PM
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11. Self aggrandizing Kick n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:19 PM
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12. Not at the rate we're going.
I suppose the US is capable of many great things if "we" have the will to do them, but at the same time we have to remember that we are not necessarily more capable of these things than other countries. That's the American exceptionalism bullshit.
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 03:23 PM
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13. To even come close, we'll need more than legislation. We'll need a massive cultural change, too. nt
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