Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Even if something is Constitutional, If there is no good Enough reason, and progressives don't

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:03 PM
Original message
Poll question: Even if something is Constitutional, If there is no good Enough reason, and progressives don't
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 01:16 PM by WingDinger
like something,then we should implore people to do as we insist.

If you don't make a law against something, you are for it. You should never waver in your convictions, nor allow politics to taint your choosing of battles.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
1. Your framing of the poll sounds like something from Fox ...
... "even if it's something constitutional or legal, if we don't like it we'll scold people until we get our way" ...


:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. If a thing is constitutional or not, is clear. What we envision of our future is not.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 01:11 PM by WingDinger
How we negotiate, and how we make a stand, are crucial. How we appear to others is crucial.

This also tells how well we tolerate Dino's. Big or little tent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
3. The critical distinction is this
The constitution is not designed, nor is it an arbiter of - what law is GOOD POLICY. It is, specifically the BOR, a limitation on Govt. power. That's all.

There are plenty of entirely constitutional laws that are fucking horrendous policy. Just because something is constitutional says NOTHING about whether it is good law, from a policy basis.

Contrarily, there are potential laws that would be good policy (rare, but they exist) but cannot be passed because of the constitution.

The problem imo that EVERYBODY does- conservatives, liberals, progressives, libertarians, etc. is that they tend to view constitutional analysis through a skewed lens, in that generally speaking if they support a law as policy they are likely to see it as constitutional and if they oppose it as policy the opposite is true. It's a general tendency, but it's SO true, and we see it all the time.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Yes, my poll gages levels of assertiveness, or passivity.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 01:32 PM by WingDinger
How would we govern, if we controlled all three. How we negotiate when we are in minority. How ready we are to CHANGE THINGS.

Sure I threw in what APPEARS to be spin. It is not scientific. Nor would it likely apply to Dems in general.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 01:49 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC