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Harry Hope Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 07:45 AM
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Medicare regulation revives end-of-life planning
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-12-26-medicare_N.htm

Medicare regulation revives end-of-life planning

WASHINGTON (AP) — A new health regulation issued this month offers elderly Medicare health insurance recipients voluntary end-of-life planning, which Democrats dropped from the monumental health care overhaul last year.

The provision allows Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex and painful decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death.

But the practice was heavily criticized by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and some other Republicans who have likened the counseling to "death panels."

The "voluntary advance care planning" is included in a Medicare regulation issued Dec. 3 that covers annual checkups, known as wellness visits. It goes into effect Jan. 1.

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Yes, ladies and gentlemen, each and every one of us will die someday...even Sarah Palin.

Harry
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 07:50 AM
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1. When she shoots wolves, does she consider herself a dealth panel, I wonder?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:10 AM
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2. This is a very good thing for people.
Everyone should have the choice in how their last days are done. If you want full out try to save you, then fine, say so. If you want comfort measures only, then fine, say so. And don't forget to be exact about feeding tubes and meds to save you while on comfort measures because they will be used unless specified not to be.

This has nothing to do with government rationing or death panels, it has to do with your having a say in how you will leave this earth. Choice.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:36 AM
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7. People are prevented from this planning now?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:06 AM
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11. Medicare can not reemburse doctors for this till the regulation change
goes into effect, so very many poor people go without it.
The GOP hates it, for some reason I can not understand.

(Probably because Obama wants it.)

mark
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:26 PM
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13. They are not prevented but they have to pay out of pocket. Sometimes these are very complex
medical issues. My aunt had a stoke, then developed an infection then developed gangrene then had a leg amputated. The gangrene came back and they figured the only way to save her was to amputate the other leg. She received lots of counseling and fortunately she had discussed this with a doctor and made a choice of which of her children would work with the doctor on helping her make those decisions.

When you are in the midst of a crises (in severe pain, under constant sedation)is not the time to be figuring this stuff out. My cousin was able to work with the doctor to carry out my aunt's wishes. My aunt finally decided against the second amputation and her daughter was there for her the whole time. It was a horrendous situation that was made easier by having had this discussion months before the crisis hit.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:38 AM
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3. In Minnesota we call it a living will.
This is dems lose. They couldn't market free popsicles on the hottest day of the year. Nobody wants to hear about end of life-unless that person is of a different skin culture or color. I sometimes think its just arrogance and other times willful sabotage.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:53 AM
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4. This allows doctors to charge for their services
in counseling patients. They won't have to rush through this sort of care planning now that it is reimbursable. A good thing for all.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:36 AM
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6. Doctors' visits aren't covered otherwise?
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:57 AM
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9. Unless there is an appropriate Medicare code doctors cannot charge for their time
To counsel patients and their families on the various options for end of life decisions. Simple as that. And we all know that many if not most doctors are in practices that require that every moment they are in the office must be allocated to money making activities.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:46 AM
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12. I think it depends on what is in the doctor's notes. A counseling session takes
more time, my understanding is that it isn't covered under Medicare. Remember, visits are coded for content, such as "initial," "followup", etc. Miscoding a counseling visit as something else would be considered fraud.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:35 AM
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5. I think any "extra" funds should go for actual medicating, not "advising" (adding a class of workers
funded by the govt).
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:47 AM
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8. The "advising" is necessary for many people. Making plans for end of life procedures can
can be really hard for some to face, whether it be the actual patient or the family. Many are unwilling or even unable to start the discussion and aren't aware of the different levels of care that are available. It's sometimes a relief for them to have someone else broach the subject with them and guide them to make the decisions they want for themselves or a loved one.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:02 AM
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10. K&R - and another link to the NYT story on "Death Panels".....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/politics/26death.html

I'm glad to see there is resistance to the right wing on this - and I am hoping it is an indication of things to come, rather than a return to one-sided compromise.


Mark
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 04:17 PM
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