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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:09 PM
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My thread on pot has 266 replies. I had no idea...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x696437#697666

This OP has a provocative subject line: Smoking pot is good for you. No, really. It's good for you. Still I expected nowhere near so many replies.

The message merely says :

marijuanamovie.org

Takes about 45 minutes to watch.

Caution: Contains scientific evidence - may be harmful to Teabaggers.


I was astonished by the number - and temperature - of some of the replies.

What was missing from the replies were links to any other scientific evidence for or against the use of marijuana. No clinical studies. No driving studies. No sociology studies. No toxicology studies. Nada.

I welcome hearing your thoughts on this, and would appreciate any links to scientific studies. I've alredy seen Reefer Madness, just so you know.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:12 PM
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1. I agree. It is good for you.
Although I'm afraid I have no scientific studies to prove it, just good 'ol down home common sense. :smoke:
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:15 PM
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2. Yes!
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Sonicwall Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:16 PM
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3. Now that I'm home - I'm ready to smoke the fuck out of my Grape Ape
been waiting 5 days to smoke it....
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:17 PM
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4. Can you PM me a joint?
I'm doing a bit of preventative maintenance. :P
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:19 PM
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5. I was keeping track of info on this subject for a while
just because a friend had asked me to sort of and I got my geek on.

anyway, plenty of studies and stats here (a few posts are not on the subject, but I started the journal, for the most part, to easily find links, etc.)

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/RainDog
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:21 PM
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6. What really stands out is that
cannabis is not anything new. It is an ancient remedy and the hemp version is, of course, a multifaceted powerhouse of resources from oils to fiber.

It was the political, economic, and racist manipulations of the public that manufactured a monster from a very useful and powerful plant.

Let us hope that this knowledge overcomes the layers of filth plastered over cannabis since the early part of the 20th Century. The truth revealed washes away all of the insane lies that were inserted into peoples minds over decades. The only madness about reefer was in the heads of the propagandists serving vested interests.

Meanwhile, in Holland ...
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:22 PM
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7. I was going to respond, but was way to high at the time
kidding
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:28 PM
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8. americans will not be giving up thier pot, no matter what.
ever.

the faster people realize that the better.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:36 PM
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12. +1
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:32 PM
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9. Sorry, Scuba, I didn't read it this time
There have been so many like it, that I chose to eschew it this time. Are there any highlights that I may not have seen before?

Here you go with some links, to studies, stories and research on cannabis:


Minimal Relationship Between Cannabis And Schizophrenia Or Psychosis Suggested By New UK Study

Last year the UK government reclassified cannabis from a class C to a class B drug, partly out of concerns that cannabis, especially the more potent varieties, may increase the risk of schizophrenia in young people. But the evidence for the relationship between cannabis and schizophrenia or psychosis remains controversial. A new study has determined that it may be necessary to stop thousands of cannabis users in order to prevent a single case of schizophrenia.

Scientists from Bristol, Cambridge and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine took the latest information on numbers of cannabis users, the risk of developing schizophrenia, and the risk that cannabis use causes schizophrenia to estimate how many cannabis users may need to be stopped to prevent one case of schizophrenia. The study found it would be necessary to stop 2800 heavy cannabis users in young men and over 5000 heavy cannabis users in young women to prevent a single case of schizophrenia. Among light cannabis users, those numbers rise to over 10,000 young men and nearly 30,000 young women to prevent one case of schizophrenia.

That's just part of the story. Interventions to prevent cannabis use typically do not succeed for every person who is treated. Depending on how effective an intervention is at preventing cannabis use, it would be necessary to treat even higher numbers of users to achieve the thousands of successful results necessary to prevent a very few cases of schizophrenia.

Matt Hickman, one of the authors of the report published last week in the scholarly journal Addiction, said that "preventing cannabis use is important for many reasons - including reducing tobacco and drug dependence and improving school performance. But our evidence suggests that focusing on schizophrenia may have been misguided. Our research cannot resolve the question whether cannabis causes schizophrenia, but does show that many people need to give up cannabis in order to have an impact on the number of people with schizophrenia. The likely impact of re-classifying cannabis in the UK on schizophrenia or psychosis incidence is very uncertain."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/168519.php


And then:

Cannabis Less Toxic than Pharmaceutical drugs - McGill University
Experts at the Health Centre within the McGill University of Canada have announced that smoked cannabis can be useful in reducing chronic neurological pain.

"...The research also found that cannabis had fewer side-effects, when compared to pharmaceutical drugs prescribed for similar conditions. The study was published in the current issue of the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

The study found that the main ingredient of cannabis, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), which provided it with psychotropic and analgesic properties, was responsible for relieving chronic pain, helping in the improvement of mood in people suffering from extreme mental pain and depression.
The researchers also found smoked cannabis can often help an individual to sleep better and reduce chronic night-time neurological pain.

The lead author of the study, Mark Ware, who is also the Director of Clinical Research at the Alan Edwards Pain Management Unit at MUHC stated that the trial was the first time when patients were allowed to smoke cannabis at their homes on a daily basis and provide their feedback on the effects..."

Dr. Eugene Dodoyi, a psychiatrist with PeaceFM News supported the discovery by reaffirming that the drug can help in relieving pain and also help people suffering from Glaucoma.

Cannazine Cannabis News

http://pr.cannazine.co.uk/201009261369/green/eco-news/cannabis-less-toxic-than-pharmaceutical-drugs-mcgill.html

And then:

Marijuana Smoking Associated With Minimal Changes In Driving Performance, Study Finds
FRIDAY, 28 MAY 2010 13:00 PRESS RELEASE AUTOMOTIVE

Hartford, CT—(ENEWSPF)—May 28, 2010 Subjects exhibit virtually identical psychomotor skills on a battery of driving simulator tests prior to and shortly after smoking marijuana, according to clinical trial data published in the March issue of the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs.

Investigators from Hartford Hospital in Connecticut and the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine assessed the simulated driving performance of 85 subjects in a double-blind, placebo controlled trial. Volunteers responded to various simulated events associated with automobile crash risk — such as avoiding a driver who was entering an intersection illegally, deciding to stop or go through a changing traffic light, responding to the presence of emergency vehicles, avoiding colliding with a dog who entered into traffic, and maintaining safe driving during a secondary (in-the-car) auditory distraction. Subjects performed the tests sober and then again 30 minutes after smoking a single marijuana cigarette containing either 2.9 percent THC or zero THC (placebo).

Investigators reported that volunteers performed virtually the same after smoking cannabis as they did sober and/or after consuming a placebo. "No differences were found during the baseline driving segment (and the) collision avoidance scenarios," authors reported.

Investigators did note, "Participants receiving active marijuana decreased their speed more so than those receiving placebo cigarette during (the) distracted section of the drive." Authors hypothesized that subjects' reduction in speed on this task suggested that they may have been compensating for perceived impairment. "o other changes in driving performance were found," researchers concluded.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459.
Source: norml.org
http://www.enewspf.com/index.php/latest-news/automotive/16666-marijuana-smoking-associated-with-minimal-changes-in-driving-performance-study-finds-


And then, here are other studies for those who are interested:

Cannabis extract makes brain tumors shrink, halts growth of blood vessels
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/12088.php

Cannabinoids Inhibit Glioma Cell Invasion by Down-regulating Matrix Metalloproteinase-2 Expression
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/68/6/1945.abs...

Briefing: Cannabis compounds fight prostate cancer
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17636-briefing-ca...

Cannabis Compound May Stop Metastatic Breast Cancer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Cannabis chemicals tackle tumours
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/661458.stm

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:44 PM
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15. I didn't read it either cause the refusal to simply acknowledge
that, by any logic available to adults, if alcohol is legal then cannabis should be legal seems to be too much for some people.

Whether someone partakes of either substance or not, the very basis of our constitution places such a value on the right to privacy and the autonomy of the individual, it's just sick to make money off of choosing one substance or another to forbid and then pretend this is just policy.

Unlike some people here - I don't claim that there are no potential negatives for some people with cannabis - however, thousands of years have demonstrated that any negative effects are far greater for alcohol and even aspirin.

Some people have a problem with alcohol and shouldn't drink - but because a few have a problem doesn't mean it makes sense to punish the many who simply enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or a beer when they fire up the barbie. This is an issue that is closely tied to religion - the prohibition of substances varies from one religion to another - and the prohibition has nothing to do with the substance itself and everything to do with attempts to control others because of a belief system.

Here's the reality: throughout human history people have altered their consciousnesses in one way or another - spinning in a circle, drinking wine, inhaling cannabis, eating chocolate cake, singing songs about Jesus and jumping up and down and clapping, running until they feel high...and on and on.

so, get over the sanctimony of "I don't need to do x or y." Whoever you are, you've got your own thing that you use and to pretend that yours isn't the same sort of human desire to experience life in various ways is a lie.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:33 PM
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10. I meant to post a clinical study
But I had to go chase my dog. She went really far away. I just, like watched her go. It was AWESOME.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:35 PM
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11. Bwaaahaaaa Reefer Madness ;) nt
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:37 PM
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13. OMFG! I think you're on to something!
:rofl: :thumbsup: :hi:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:40 PM
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14. LOL ;-P
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itsnotaboutu Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:46 PM
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16. Reefer madness LOL
I also have seen that hilarious comedy about the much maligned weed.
I have read many scientific articles on the subject none of them have made me feel there is a serious danger in the use of cannabis, on the other hand the totally legal use of alcohol, which has destroyed more peoples lives than any other substance is legal for anyone who is of age to buy.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:55 PM
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17. here's some links to medical benefits. I firmly favor legalization
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:59 PM
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18. i`m still bum`d out cause owsley died in a car wreck....
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:06 PM
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19. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and links...
...As for those who didn't read, you didn't miss much.

There was one immediate, and very long, dialogue between one "it should remain illegal" and a small number of "you must be kidding" folks who had the tenacity to get their antagonist to finally admit it was no big deal but there are more important things to think about.

His tenacity in the face of such opposition makes me suspect he's a plant paid for by the alcohol or prison industy. Just kidding. I know DU'er who are more passionate. Note to DU Member: my apologies if I have misrepented your opinion or motive.

I particularly enjoyed the thread that questioned whether or not legalization was a "litmus test" for Progressives. Heady stuff, pun intended.

I'm probably looking in the wrong place for anti-pot science.

The movie is interesting.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:09 PM
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20. kr
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:11 PM
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21. Its the level of priorities on DU.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:16 PM
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22. Nada? I think your glaucoma is not being treated.
Here is a link, yet again, which I posted in your thread. From the American Academy of Ophthalmology. Marijuana in the Treatment of Glaucoma.
So you are incorrect about the nada, and you need to say sorry. In your thread, I heard people tell me that AIDS patients 'just want to get high' so the bullshit meter is running hard here.
Your link, repeated from your own thread. http://one.aao.org/CE/PracticeGuidelines/Therapy_Content.aspx?cid=9871fa42-cf40-4c1f-b05c-c816d5f93126

Nada, says the man, to fill the agenda he came in with.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:22 PM
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24. Thank you for the correction. Sincerely....
... I continue to look for more evidence on both sides of this issue.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:22 PM
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23. Not my thing
If you wanna smoke up, go right ahead and I'll support your right to do so legally but personally, I'd rather have a couple pints of real ale.

That said, Reefer Madness is hysterical. Rifftrax do a really good commentry on it too.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 05:03 AM
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25. The fact that your OP contained no information does not mean that other DU OPs on cannabis do not.
We are a pretty erudite community on this issue. For example,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5043299

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5831628

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2326296


That's a good start. Let me know when you want more, or use the "search" function to seek out enlightenment. It has been here for the reading for a long while now.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 05:32 AM
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28. Sorry, I'm confused. My OP contained a 45 minute documentary...
...filled with empirical data. Did you mean for your post to go elsewhere?
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:39 AM
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29. Yes, you are confused.
The last half-dozen posters on this thread pointed out links to scientific studies they posted in your original OP. Did you mean to read your original OP responses or, for that matter, the three links I provided?

Or what?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 05:27 AM
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26. "What was missing from the replies were links to any other scientific evidence for or against ...
"What was missing from the replies were links to any other scientific evidence for or against the use of marijuana"

You must not have looked very close...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=696437&mesg_id=701013

Plenty of studies at that link...

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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 05:31 AM
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27. I thought I had posted this
but it might have been in another pot thread.

The Science of Pot

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:48 AM
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30. Yeah, never mind all the health effects.
:eyes:
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