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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:58 PM
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Arizona Senate President tells Tea Party: You are not US citizens
Source : Raw Story

Arizona State Senate President Russell Pearce (R) claimed last week that Americans are not citizens of the United States but citizens of their respective states.

"Most of us weren’t around when the Constitution was written," Pearce said during his speech at an Oceanside Tea Party rally. "But you remember we kind of existed before Congress, the states. We created the Congress, we created the federal government, by contract. Do you know what existed before the Congress? The states."

Members of the Arizona Legislature, led by Pearce, have introduced a bill that attempts to grant the Arizona the power to ignore federal laws it does not want to comply with.

"Do you know, you’re not a citizen of the United States," Pearce continued. "You’re a citizen of a sovereign state. The fifty sovereign states make up United States of America, we’re citizens of those sovereign states. It is not a delegated authority. It’s an inherent authority that states have over the federal government."

Read More at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/21/arizona-senate-president-tells-tea-party-you-are-not-us-citizens/
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:05 AM
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1. Huh? The 14th Amendment seems clear?!?
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:17 AM
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5. You can let him know how stupid he is here:
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:11 AM
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2. Is this person naturally this stupid?
I might be mistaken here, but I believe that no one is a "citizen" of a state. They are RESIDENTS of a state. We have no constitutional provisions for dual citizenship between individual states and the nation. In fact, everything I ever see officially refers to someone as a RESIDENT of a state. . .NEVER a citizen.

This circus clown needs to be run out of office - and out of the country for advocating treason and plotting against the citizens and the government of the United States of America. This constant attempt by right wingers to re-establish the claims of the Confederacy are just lunacy.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:13 AM
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4. No shit!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:33 AM
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6. Before the Constitution, they were subjects.
So Russel, can you differentiate THEN and NOW?

--imm
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:12 AM
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3. Sigh. Yet another stupid repuke.
And yes, I know I'm repeating myself.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:47 AM
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7. aha!
I knew Obama wasn't a US citizen because none of us are!!

Genius!
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:50 AM
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8. When the Constitution was written, Arizona was part of Spain, not that...
that means any more than his bullshit.

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flor-de-jasmim Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:55 AM
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9. Gosh, I should have passports from every State I've lived in! * sarcasm and disdain *
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:57 AM
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10. You know what else wasn't around...
...when the constitution was written? The state of Arizona which was admitted to the US in 1912-the last state admitted in the lower 48!
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:05 AM
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11. Article 2, Section 1, where the requirements for the presidency are specified,
refers to "a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"

So, Mr Pearce, people clearly WERE citizens of the United States before the Constitution was adopted.
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:24 AM
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12. "to grant the Arizona the power to ignore federal laws it does not want to comply with"
These treasonous assholes need to be arrested, if they succeed and enact this BS.

As if they can selectively pick and choose what federal law they will obey, in order to keep those that benefit their state the most, ignore those that do not, forcing the other 49 states to pick up their economic slack, and make complicit every resident involuntarily in their seditious and traitorous schemes.





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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:30 AM
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13. Most? LOL, I seriously stopped reading there. nt
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:01 AM
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14. One Is Inclined, Sir, To Take Him At His Word, And Deport Him As An Illegal Alien....
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:25 AM
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15. He has some Arizona liberals wanting to secede from AZ to become the 51st state, Baja Arizona:
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 02:30 AM by highplainsdem
http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/03/21/baja-arizona-movement-has-its-own-web-site-start-our-state/


Btw, Pearce's disgusting immigration law is model legislation from ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. It was drafted at an ALEC conference with prison-industry representatives.

A lot of the bills being pushed in various state legislatures to "nullify" federal health care reform as "unconstitutional" are from ALEC.

I wouldn't be surprised if this even crazier bill Pearce is pushing now is already ALEC model legislation, or soon will be.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:35 AM
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16. There seems to be a enough demand to start mass producing straitjackets. Hell, we can even give them
a little credit for the job creation.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:44 AM
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17. Uhhhhh... Seems to me that states refer to their populus as "residents", not citizens
We're residents of states and citizens of the country.

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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:13 AM
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18. "Do you know what existed before the Congress? The states." Ahhh, not Arizona. n/t
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:18 AM
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19. Who'se "we?"
He's in Arizona!
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:19 AM
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20. I wonder if this dumbass would be pushing this stupidity if a repuke was President?
I'm sure anyone suggesting states ignore federal law if palin was president would be hung for treason!
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:21 AM
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21. Uhh.. what was one of the points of fighting the Civil War
but the supremacy of the Federal Govt over states.

BtW, Arizona wasn't around until after this was decided.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:33 AM
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22. He's a frikkin' idiot
makes me AGAIN sad to live in this state
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