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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:07 PM
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I find it interesting that out of all the recent dictators, Hosni had the most class
By that I mean he stepped down...eventually

Don't get me wrong, he's no saint

But out of all the dictators, he was the only one to eventually placate the will of his people
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:08 PM
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1. One important factor I think: the army didn't support him
They were on the side of the protestors.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:10 PM
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2. The army was on its own side. They were willing to toss him overboard.
Wasn't he near retirement anyway?

The army engaged in all kinds of violence and human rights abuses off camera. They aren't to be trusted.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:10 PM
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4. True that...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:10 PM
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3. Gadhafi has loyal millionaires... erm... minions...
People who profit from him remaining in office.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:11 PM
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5. It looks like Saleh of Yemen will do the same.
First he said he wasn't going to run for office again in 2013, like Mubarak. The protesters didn't think that was good enough. Then he said he would step down within a year, like Mubarak. The protesters think that's still not good enough. I expect him to step down soon, because he army is rapidly deserting him, like in Egypt.

So all the people who threw out the red herring that we shouldn't intervene in Libya because we didn't intervene in Yemen as well... you want to reconsider that?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:19 PM
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6. I'm against us intervening in Libya
All we are doing is mindless bombing
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:20 PM
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7. Yeah, that's nice that you're against it, but I've not seen you giving any reasons to back it up...
Other than gut feelings and non-realistic isolationist ideals.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:49 PM
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8. No - I don't give reasons, I ask questions
Like 'What is the point in this NFZ?' and 'How will a NFZ stop tanks?' and 'We are already sucking at two wars, why a third?'

I have a lot more questions, but those are the main ones, and no one has been able to give a straight answer.

If you want reasons, I give you the history of the NFZ in Iraq (during the Clinton Admin mostly)

Did you know that we bombed Iraq almost daily?

Did you know that the NFZ + the sanctions killed upwards to a million Iraqis? That group included women, children, etc.

Please excuse me if I've seen this movie before, and don't want a remake
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:18 PM
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10. Libya is not Iraq. Such comparisons are intelectually lazy...
And serve only to quickly dismiss this operation without having to think it through.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:25 PM
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11. Yeah yeah yeah and a rose isn't an outhouse
What's your point?

Wait - before you answer - just read this =====> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:31 PM
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12. THIS IS NOT IRAQ!!!! Let it go.
sheesh
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:34 PM
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13. Shit, do I have to break out the Santayana quote again?
I mean, I would have guessed you would have learned something

No it's not Iraq, but do cluster bombs, er...Freedom Clusters care? When they explode, do they magically only kill the bad guys in Libya? If so I'd like to see why Libya follows different laws of physics than Iraq...
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:41 PM
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14. Civilian casualties at hands of UN? Not seen them. Casualties at hands of Qaddafi? 6,000!
You just look the other way and pretend not to see them if that helps you justify your isolationist principles.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:43 PM
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15. Sadaam Hussein killed over 6K too - were you in support of that war too?
And I'm sorry, a war is a war is a war

Saying they're different does not make it so
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:48 PM
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16. In one month? Wrong. Was there a popular uprising to Hussein? No.
Did Iraqis ask us for intervention? No. Did the UN sanction the intervention in Iraq? No. Was Iraq only about bombing and not getting boots on the ground? No.

Again: simplicity rules DU. You're a prime example.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:53 PM
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17. Go ask the Iraqi Kurds about how many of them died in one day
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:41 PM
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18. I'm not talking about 1990, but 2003. Admit you're wrong, the comparison is ludicrous,.
Kooky pacifists.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:54 PM
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9. Hosni's military refused to follow him and kill the citizens of Egypt...
I think the military had "class." Hosni, not so much.
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