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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:40 PM
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US military 'shot six Libyan villagers' in pilot rescue
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 03:06 PM by Catherina

Front page of the Guardian

7.07pm: At least six villagers were injured when US forces came in with "all guns blazing" in an operation to extract US pilots whose fighter crashed in the east of Libya, said Lindsey Hilsum of Channel 4 News in her report at 7pm.

Reporting from the scene of the crash, she said that a US helicopter came in and opened fire on Monday night as villagers were handing over one of the downed pilots to local rebel authorities.

Omar Sayd, who was described as a military policeman, told the channel: "We are disturbed about the shooting because if they had given us a chance we would have handed over both pilots."

In Benghazi, Hilsum interviewed one of the injured villagers, who was in a hospital bed. Local people had been giving a "party" for giving a party for the pilot when they were fired on.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/22/libya-air-strikes-live-updates



Update to include the Channel 4 EYEWITNESS report by Lindsey Hilsum who's been reporting from the ground for weeks.


SIX VILLAGERS SHOT BY IS TEAM RESCUING PILOT

Tuesday 22 March 2011
EXCLUSIVE: Six villagers in a field on the outskirts of Benghazi were shot and injured when a US helicopter landed to rescue a crew member from the crashed jet, reports Lindsey Hilsum.



...

But a rescue mission was mounted for pilot number two, and this is where what could have been comic turned sour. Osprey aircraft came in, all guns blazing, assuming - as the American military tends to do – that this was hostile territory.

"We are disturbed about the shooting because if they'd given us a chance we would have handed over both pilots," said Colonel Sayid. "This shooting created panic."

Worse than that, several bystanders were injured, amongst them 43-year-old Hamad Abdul Ati. We found him in Jala hospital in Benghazi, with multiple shrapnel and bullet wounds, and a broken arm. He didn’t understand why the Americans had been so aggressive in their rescue mission.

...

Hospital staff told us that 20-year-old Hamdy’s injuries were far worse, and he was undergoing an operation to amputate part of one leg.

...

http://www.channel4.com/news/third-night-of-bombing-in-libya


SHOOTING FIRST-AND HITTING THE PEOPLE THEY CAME TO PROTECT
Tuesday 22 March 2011
6:55 pm

...

“The whole eastern area is under the revolution, it’s well known. Why did this happen? My car is destroyed, my home is damaged,” he said, adding: “We would have just picked the second pilot up and put him wherever he wanted in a safe place. Even the other one, we had a celebration for him.”

That’s what’s heart-breaking about the incident. The villagers did indeed shout: “Welcome, welcome Libya” and try to offer hospitality and gratitude to their American friends.

...

http://blogs.channel4.com/world-news-blog/shooting-first-and-hitting-the-people-they-came-to-protect/15620

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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:41 PM
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1. Its for their own good...nt
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:41 PM
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2. Obviously Ghaddafi was using them as human shields.
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 02:42 PM by howard112211
:sarcasm:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:42 PM
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3. Shoot first, ask questions later. Not a good start.
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:46 PM
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4. KIck
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:47 PM
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5. That there freedom dust is GUNPOWDER
n/t
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:48 PM
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6. Hey, the Marines 100% denied it
There you have it.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:50 PM
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10. To be followied in 6 months by "regrets".
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:50 PM
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11. Well, the Marines would never lie...
:eyes:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:51 PM
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14. They didn't shoot six villagers...
They shot six insurgents.


See the difference?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:00 AM
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34. No. Because the killers get to identify the killed.
See how that works? Not only do I not think you know who these dead folks are, I don't think that the Marines know - nor do they care. Well, they care only after the fact, which means nothing at all...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:49 PM
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7. Klaatu barada nikto
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:02 PM
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23. impatient with stupidity?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:49 PM
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8. Bump!
Rec!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:49 PM
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9. Lots of unreccs!
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:50 PM
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12. I hope none of them die.
Try sorting that mess out if they do.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:51 PM
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13. Conflicting stories

21:00 The Guardian A US military spokesman has denied reports that US Marines rescuing a downed pilot in Libya on Monday night shot and injured six civilians.

“It didn’t happen, I can deny this 100%,” said Captain Richard Ulsh, a spokesman for the US Marines.

Two pilots parachuted from their US Air Force F-15E near Benghazi after their aircraft suffered a mechanical failure. Two Osprey tiltrotors based on USS Kearsarge off the Libyan coast were dispatched to rescue the pilots, who landed separately. The Osprey has two rotors and can take off vertically before the rotors swivel to allow it to fly like a plane.

One pilot was picked up and brought back to the Kearsarge, where he is being given medical treatment but is in good condition. The US military has said it picked up the second pilot but has not revealed his whereabouts.

Each Osprey was manned by a 12 strong squad of armed Marines, but Ulsh said no shots were fired. “The Osprey is not armed and the Marines barely came off the aircraft,” he said. “I was in the landing force operations centre (on the Kearsarge) and firing was never reported.”

The denial from on the USS Kearsarge contradicts reports on the ground. The Associated Press reports a second plane strafed the field where the pilot went down. It says Hamid Moussa el-Amruni, on whose family’s farm the plane landed was himself was shot.

He suffered shrapnel wounds in his leg and back, but he could still walk. He used an old broomstick as a crutch and said he held no grudge, believing it was an accident. He said the second crew member came down in a different field and was picked up by a helicopter, an account that coincided with the US explanation of the rescue, AP reported.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:53 PM
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17. >>“It didn’t happen, I can deny this 100%,”
small bubble above is head>>>> "actually it was 9"
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:53 PM
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18. Who do you believe...
The 'rebels' or the U.S. military

both are noble in this cause.

:shrug:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:03 PM
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25. I believe both.
It appears that the helicopter did not do any shooting, but the second strafing plane did.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:51 PM
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15. INJURED???? Not dead. INJURED?
This is what we're freaking out about?

Our people thought our pilots had been captured when they were merely being feted? And our people who have been taught very well how to shoot to kill didn't kill anybody?

Good grief.
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:55 PM
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20. Shot them in the leg...
then bought 'em a beer.

Too many movies, man.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:51 PM
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16. Just collateral damage like
in Bahrain and Gaza and Yeman. Lest you forget, we are the GOOD GUYS. We have the RIGHT to dismiss any government we don't like.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:53 PM
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19. We're winning hearts and minds all over the Middle East. ***Sigh*** n/t
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:56 PM
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21. Here is the plane:


War always hurts more than it helps.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:57 PM
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22. Ughh, just when I thought the story ended well...
the truth creeps out. k&r for the light of day..
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:03 PM
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24. i will wait to see what pans out either way on this story.... nt
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:05 PM
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26. If its true its not the fault of our military. The responsibility is on the shoulders -
- of who sent them there. With so little being know as to who or what we are fighting, who is friend and who is foe, and what the end result is expected to be, I don't blame them for going in with guns blazing. You cannot put our men in life-threatening situations and expect them to sit back and wait to see what's going to occur as that could cost them their lives. Am glad to know that the civilians weren't killed.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:08 PM
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27. OP updated with more information n/t
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:22 PM
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28. There is just so much wrong
in the way the US handles things. Shoot first- is the first line of thinking that needs to go.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:23 PM
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29. I call bullshit
the plane was not fired upon
The officers in charge need more intelligence
The military knows their are many civilians around so they need to use restraint
One civilian will lose part of his leg.....
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:24 PM
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30. Those that support war sanction murder. No exceptions. nt
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:41 PM
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31. It never fucking ends, it's always the fucking same. n/t
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 05:58 PM
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32. Exactly
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:23 PM
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33. BBC Video: Libyan injured during American pilot rescue mission ‘still backs mission’
BBC Video: Libyan injured during American pilot rescue mission ‘still backs mission’

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/03/march-22-update/

As it appears that the Marines themselves didn't fire but another plane fired, this is much to do about nothing.
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