Obama the NATION BUILDER

"According to a White House readout of a Monday night call between Obama and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the two leaders "underscored their shared commitment to the goal of helping provide the Libyan people an opportunity to transform their country, by installing a democratic system that respects the people’s will.""

How swell.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/151191-white-house-suggests-regime-change-is-goal-of-libya-mission?page=1

Which is what the Libyans want.

That is not nation building.

Btw, 95% of Libya had already implemented that before Gaddafi started mowing them down.

there were NO "massacres" confirmed. NOT 1.

Why have 8000 people been killed by Gaddafi?

Here is just one video to start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

Then check the videos created by Mo.

Please provide a link to the BBC where is states that Gaddafi was not killing his people - he is doing it now in Misrata.

Aldabiya, Benghazi, Ras Lanuf, Zawiya, other places whose names I don't even remember. Yeah, it's been a fun time there the last couple of weeks. It will be a while before a body count is even possible.

But, I forgot, you know better than those there what is happening to them. Why bother believing the people on the scene?

Until it's "confirmed" it didn't happen. Denial may work for you, but it doesn't dictate reality.

is derived DIRECTLY from listening to the people in Libya. I read #Libya tweets every day, I follow the Libya posts on DU, I read this site first thing in the morning: http://www.libyafeb17.com/

"10:58 BBC A doctor in Misrata, who wanted to remain anonymous, tells the BBC: “This is the fifth or sixth consecutive day of shelling the city. Our clinic is full of patients. We have no more beds to treat the patients. There is no light in the city. There has been no communication for 10 days and no water for more than one week. And still the heavy shelling continues. The situation is so serious. The international community must take responsibility. Since yesterday we have received 125 injured including an entire family with four children, shot in their car while trying to leave. Even my medical resources are running out. We can’t sustain this any more.”"

Check that site - they have photos and videos.

By the way, type the following into google, and see what you come up with:
BBC Libya massacre

I believe the following applies to you more than me:
"But, I forgot, you know better than those there what is happening to them. Why bother believing the people on the scene?"

I don't know why I wasted the time in typing this up, because none of it will sink in. I think there are people on the board who really don't give a fig about the truth, but just like to be adversarial.

Not sure, but I hope you don't think I was replying to you, my post was to DO. I read the same sources as you and agree with you.

I have done that before. Apologies.

The response was supposed to be for you.

after all we know what's best and need to be sure that we do.....


Not "we'll protect them and let them carry out their will and hope that we get along with them."

done that for themselves?

oh wait...

That is just my guess wrt to Obama. But I do not like to condemn people beforehand. I wait to judge their actions after the actions have taken place.

Obama will have no more luck than the fools before him.

The Libyans have already done it themselves. 95% of the country had done that - or do you know nothing about that?

However, it may not go as smoothly as the US wants, since it appears there may be more than two tribes needs/wants to consider.

Abdulsattar Hatitah

Cairo, Asharq Al-Awsat – Libyan tribes played an important role in the country's fight against Ottoman, and later Italian, colonialism, with many Libyan tribal members sacrificing their lives in this war. It is believed that there are currently around 140 different tribes and clans in Libya, many of which have influences and members outside of the country, from Tunisia to Egypt to Chad. However Dr. Faraj Abdulaziz Najam, a Libyan specialist in Social Sciences and History, told Asharq Al-Awsat that the Libyan tribes and clans that have genuine and demonstrable influence on the country number no more than 30 .

In a country that has lived under the brutal dictatorship of one man for more than forty years, namely Colonel Muammar Gaddafi –of the Gaddafi tribe – the majority of Libyans depend on their tribal connection in order to obtain their rights, and for protection, and even in order to find a job, particularly in the state apparatus. In a study conducted by Dr. Amal al-Obeidi at the University of Garyounis in Benghazi, it was revealed that the two largest and most influential Arab tribes in Libya originated from the Arab Peninsula, and these are the Beni Salim tribe that settled in Cyrenaica, the eastern coastal region of Libya, and the Beni Hilal that settled in western Libya around Tripoli. However other Libyan researchers and expert also revealed that around 15 percent of the Libyan population have no tribal affiliation whatsoever, being descendents of the Berber, Turkish, and other communities.

http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=3&id=24257?du

:popcorn:

My memory seems to be failing me.

Clause #11 says:

(11) welcomes the outreach that has begun by the United States Government to Libyan opposition figures and supports an orderly, irreversible transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya.

Full text of the U.S. Senate resolution here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x717373#717754