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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:45 AM
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Libyan Revolution Day 34 part 2 (dedicated to the Libyan Youth, please see photo blog)
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23">AJE Live Blog March 23 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x720880">Day 34 part 1 here.



Just realized the photo blog link below was broken before, please view it, it's very touching. I see so many young people in the videos, most of them younger than even myself, and my heart goes out to them. Libya has a very large ratio of young people, and this battle is for them.

Watch this video of the "Heroes to the point of being suicidal": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJj1AKa11r8

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/22/6319286-libyas-rebel-youth-a-ragtag-highly-enthusiastic-but-highly-undisciplined-force-">Libya's rebel youth: a ragtag, highly enthusiastic but highly undisciplined force (PHOTO BLOG)
Ryan Lucas of AP reports from Zwitina, Libya: Coalition forces bombarded Libya for a third straight night Monday, targeting the air defenses and forces of Libyan ruler Moammar Gadhafi, stopping his advances and handing some momentum back to the rebels, who were on the verge of defeat just last week.

But the rebellion's more organized military units were still not ready, and the opposition disarray underscored U.S. warnings that a long stalemate could emerge.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/world/africa/22tripoli.html">A Libyan Fight for Democracy, or a Civil War?
TRIPOLI — The question has hovered over the Libyan uprising from the moment the first tank commander defected to join his cousins protesting in the streets of Benghazi: Is the battle for Libya the clash of a brutal dictator against a democratic opposition, or is it fundamentally a tribal civil war?

The answer could determine the course of both the Libyan uprising and the results of the Western intervention. In the West’s preferred chain of events, airstrikes enable the rebels to unite with the currently passive residents of the western region around Tripoli, under the banner of an essentially democratic revolution that topples Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

He, however, has predicted the opposite: that the revolt is a tribal war of eastern Libya against the west that ends in either his triumph or a prolonged period of chaos.

“It is a very important question that is terribly near impossible to answer,” said Paul Sullivan, a political scientist at Georgetown University who has studied Libya. “It could be a very big surprise when Qaddafi leaves and we find out who we are really dealing with.”


Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada:
http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission
Canada will contribute six CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce a no-fly zone in Libya, sources have told CTV News.


Norway:
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya
OSLO, March 18 (Reuters) - Norway will join the international military action against Muammar Gaddafi's forces in Libya, a Norwegian daily quoted the defence minister as saying on its website on Friday.

"We will contribute to the operation," Grete Faremo told the daily Verdens Gang. "But it is too early to say exactly in what way. Sending air capabilities would be natural."


Belgium:
http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya
Our country is available to take part in a military operation in Libya, following the UN vote authorizing the use of force against Gaddafi. The government has observed, in Parliament yesterday, a broad consensus in the Belgian political class on the need to prevent the Libyan leader to crush the rebellion in Benghazi.


Qatar and the UAE:
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support
France and the United Kingdom, which spearheaded the diplomatic push in the Security Council for the implementation of a no-fly zone, received unusual but certainly very welcome support. According to a further unnamed AFP source, the Council confirmed that Qatar and the UAE will join the international effort.


Denmark:
http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi
Espersen will discuss the resolution “as soon as possible” with the other political parties.

“We’re ready to take action immediately, and that includes ensuring prompt treatment of the resolution in parliament, so that Denmark can deploy its four F-16 fighter jets,” she said.


France:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’
UNITED NATIONS — Only hours after the United Nations Security Council voted to authorize military action, including airstrikes against Libyan tanks and heavy artillery and impose a no-flight zone to try to avert a rout of rebels by forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. French officials said on Friday that military action would start “within a few hours” and news reports said British and French warplanes would spearhead the attack.


Italy:
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source
TUNIS, March 17 (Reuters) - Italy is ready to make its military bases available to enforce a U.N. Security Counci resolution imposing a no-fly zone on Libya, an Italian government source told Reuters on Thursday.


United Kingdom:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote
UK forces are preparing to help enforce a no-fly zone over Libya after the UN backed "all necessary measures", short of an invasion, to protect civilians.


United States:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya
The United States, France and Britain were making plans Friday to prevent Moammar Gadhafi's forces from attacking Libyans after the U.N. Security Council authorized a no-fly zone over Libya and "all necessary measures" to protect civilians.


Jordan:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours'
Jordan, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates will join international forces ready to enforce the no-fly zone, US Congress and UN diplomatic sources say.


Spain:
http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is expected to confirm Spain's contribution of two air force bases at a summit in Paris to discuss the enforcement of a no-fly zone over Libya Saturday.



"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".




http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map

Military Installations



Oil Map



http://bit.ly/fe3P">Google Earth DL here to see positions of army and patrolling route of mercenaries

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=212059469427545728757.00049c4df2474b6543347&ll=31.203405,30.058594&spn=96.173452,183.867188&z=3">MAP of Protests across the Middle East


Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:47 AM
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1. Current time in Libya 1:47pm Wednesday, March 23
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:48 AM
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2. US fighter pilot talks to Al Jazeera - video
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:50 AM
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3. A resident in the rebel-held city of Zintan said that pro-Gaddafi forces have resumed bombardment
1144: A resident in the western, rebel-held city of Zintan has told Reuters that pro-Gaddafi forces have resumed bombardment there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:04 AM
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4. They need to sit down, shut up, and get bombed, until they can save themselves.
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 07:06 AM by Davis_X_Machina
Because of the US's past history of adventurism and present addiction to oil, and our present budget predicament, we cannot help them.

Our need to do penance for our sins abroad, and for our failure to spend adequately on social provision at home, far outweigh any good that might come from intervention.

Because it's all about the US, as you can see from the sign in the last picture.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:18 PM
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76. yes, indeed, and we need to sit down and shut up and be vilified.
I don't usually care for snark on important things, but your words are so apt. Right to the point.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:08 AM
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5. Gaddafi forces shell rebel town of Zintan: resident
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 07:08 AM by joshcryer
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/03/23/libya-zintan-bombardment-idINLDE72M1AG20110323">Gaddafi forces shell rebel town of Zintan: resident
Reuters) - Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have resumed their bombardment of the rebel-held town of Zintan, about 90 km (55 miles) south-west of the capital, a resident said. "Gaddafi's brigades started bombardment from the northern area half an hour ago. The bombardment is taking place now. The town is completely surrounded. The situation is very bad," the resident, Abdulrahman, told Reuters by telephone from the town.

"They are getting reinforcements. Troops backed with tanks and vehicles are coming. We appeal to the allied forces to come and protect civilians," he said. (Reporting by Hamid Ould Ahmed; Writing by Christian Lowe; Editing by Louise Ireland)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:09 AM
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6. They are getting reinforcements. Troops and tanks and vehicles are coming. We appeal for help.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:26 AM
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12. Gaddafi's troops have resumed their shelling of the rebel-held town of Zintan
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23#update-18831">1:46pm Gaddafi's troops have resumed their shelling of the rebel-held town of Zintan, about 90km south-west of the capital, a resident named Abdulrahman told Reuters by phone.

Gaddafi's brigades started bombardment from the northern area half an hour ago. The bombardment is taking place now. The town is completely surrounded. The situation is very bad.

They are getting reinforcements. Troops backed with tanks and vehicles are coming. We appeal to the allied forces to come and protect civilians.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:15 AM
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7. Misrata: at least three people have been killed by pro-Gaddafi snipers who are firing on a hospital
A resident of Libya's rebel-held city Misrata says at least three people have been killed by pro-Gaddafi snipers who are firing on a hospital there.
by Matt Reeder at 6:06 AM

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Middle_East_Protests
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:47 AM
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20. More on that shooting at the clinic in rebel-held Misurata.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23#update-18861">2:15pm More on that shooting at the clinic in rebel-held Misurata. A resident named Saadoun told the agency:

It started half an hour ago. The snipers are ... shooting at the hospital and its two entrances are under heavy attack. No one can get in or out ... We have lost all communication with people inside. The last thing
we knew is that three are killed and three are critically wounded.


This is the new Hotel Rwanda.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:24 AM
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8. Spokesman for the newlform intrim government speaks:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23#update-18811">1:05pm A spokesman for the newly formed "interim government", declared by the transitional national council, tells Al Jazeera's James Bays:

The provisional national council is a legislative body, but we need an executive body to take control and provide an administration.

Our position has been very clear, that Libya is one unit - our capital is Tripoli and will forever be Tripoli ... We are striving to liberate the western parts of the country, and Tripoli, and keep the country united. We would like to emphasise this over and over again.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:25 AM
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9. the aim of the Harrier jets aboard the ship is to help push Gaddafi's troops back from their lines
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23#update-18816">1:17pm Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, aboard the USS Kearsarge, says the aim of the Harrier jets aboard the ship is to help push Gaddafi's troops back from their lines - not enforce a no-fly zone. He tells us:

The rebels aren't making much headway, so we're seeing an escalation here.


Let's be honest, they're being used 'cause we don't use 'em anywhere and this is the only place they work. :rofl:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:25 AM
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10. Good morning, Josh!
Pass the coffee & doughnuts... :)

:hi:





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:32 AM
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13. pinboy3niner! :) You better not overdo it today, jeez yesterday was crazy!
You don't have to update everything man! :hug:

You rock anyway!

I have to get to work soon, I couldn't sleep last night. Seems I've lost all ability to sleep.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:02 AM
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22. Heh heh
It was a labor of love, Josh. And the views the thread was getting kept me going (I hope it meant people thought, "Hey, this is really informative" and not "I feel like a total jackwagon for opening this never-ending thread"). :)

And the civilian casualties story in the rescue of the downed airmen really got me into updating mode. I'd been following several live streams of twitter traffic on Libya and happened to catch a VERY early tweet that was the first to mention civilian casualties. It could've been totally bogus, so I didn't post on it until the first journalist to reach the crash site confirmed it, so I continued to follow the story throughout the day. And early posts on the story in the Libya revo thread were still several hours before the story showed up in LBN or GD (where I'd had no time to post it).

You know how it is, though--you come off that kind of marathon hectic pace thoroughly exhausted--but too keyed-up to be able to sleep. Seems you're "doomed if if you do and doomed if you don't," as a friend used to say. :)






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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 10:50 AM
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39. Please know that your efforts are very much appreciated!
I know what that hectic high, followed by inability to sleep, is like. It is the same with trying to bring awareness to poverty, when it isn't popular or "sexy".

So, I think I get what you are going through, and just want you to know that I understand the sacrifice, and appreciate it!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:26 AM
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11. US defence secretary Robert Gates has arrived in Cairo for talks discussing Libya's future.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23#update-18826">1:40pm US defence secretary Robert Gates has arrived in Cairo for talks discussing Libya's future.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:34 AM
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14. A bright voice from Libya's darkness (about Mohammed "Mo" Nabbous, omg, so sad):
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">A bright voice from Libya's darkness
What does grief and courage sound like? It sounds a lot like the voice of Perditta Nabbous, the wife of Libyan citizen journalist Mohammed Nabbous, 27, who was shot and killed last Saturday by forces loyal to Muammar al-Qaddafi. Mohammed was the charismatic voice and face of Libya al-Hurra, the online TV station he set up in the early days of the uprising. Mo, as his many fans and supporters around the world called him, was attacked while trying to record footage from Benghazi.

"He got so furious because nobody was taking pictures and videos," Perditta told me, after many Western journalists fled Benghazi ahead of a furious assault by Qaddafi's troops. Mo had been trying to reach the wreckage of a downed Libyan jet -- which later turned out to belong to the rebels -- when his car came under heavy fire. He died in the hospital several hours later. "He said, ‘I need to get proof of the plane so people will believe this,'" Perditta said.

She is 8 months pregnant. "I want Mohamed's child to live," she told me.

Her voice growing stronger, she called for the U.S.-led strikes on Qaddafi's air defenses and troops to continue. Here it is in her own words. I can't put it any more powerfully than this
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:58 AM
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47. I posted her words... pray for me... ^_^
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x724457

Seriously, I cannot stand DU anymore. I will NOT look at the ugliness that will be posted.

I have included the URL here for anyone who wants to look after the thread.....

I simply cannot take anymore of the hatred.... :cry:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:23 PM
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63. Yep, I tend to come here first.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:36 AM
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15. The coalition of the conflicted goes to war


Source: The Globe and Mail




The coalition of the conflicted goes to war


PAUL KORING
WASHINGTON— From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
Published Tuesday, Mar. 22, 2011 9:14PM EDT
Last updated Tuesday, Mar. 22, 2011 9:54PM EDT


Creating the no-fly zone is done. Wiping out the remnants of Libya’s ragged air force is done. Pulverizing the armoured spearhead pointed at Benghazi is done. And making a smoking hole out of Moammar Gadhafi’s command-and-control headquarters in Tripoli is also done.

Libya has become a “target-poor” environment, much like Afghanistan in the first hectic days of air strikes in 2001. U.S., British, and French warplanes are already returning to bases with their bombs still strapped to their wings. Canada’s CF-18s brought their bomb load back undropped Thursday and have yet to fire.

A narrow reading of UN Security Council Resolution 1973 would suggest the war’s limited objectives have been all but reached. It’s over. But the unwritten and unspoken target may be Colonel Gadhafi himself.

“Regime change,” the war aim that dare not speak its name because it is so closely associated with George W. Bush’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, may in fact be the exit strategy. Politicians who dare say so come under fire – even from their own generals.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/the-coalition-of-the-conflicted-goes-to-war/article1952331/









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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:38 AM
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16. Libyan rebels foresee democratic regime
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/libyan-rebels-foresee-democratic-regime/story-e6frfku0-1226027047743">Libyan rebels foresee democratic regime
REPRESENTATIVES of the Libyan opposition's Interim National Council said in Paris that a post-Gaddafi regime would be "secular and democratic".

They also predicted that the embattled Libyan leader, who has continued to press against rebel-held towns despite a UN-backed military campaign, would fall quickly, opening the way for a rebuilding of Libyan society.

"The future Libya will be democratic and secular," said Mansour Saif Al-Nasr, an emissary, though not a member, of the interim council, based in the rebel-held stronghold of Benghazi.

"The Libyan people are a moderate people, and the state will not be led by clerics," he told a large gathering writers, ex-ministers and reporters assembled by Bernard Henry-Levy, a French intellectual who helped ease the way for France's recognition of the rebel authority.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:38 AM
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17. Wow. They plan to strike in 10 days? Optimistic buggers.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:40 AM
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18. Libya Crisis Thrusts U.S. Africa Command Into Leadership Role
Source: New York Times




Libya Crisis Thrusts U.S. Africa Command Into Leadership Role

By ERIC SCHMITT
Published: March 22, 2011



WASHINGTON — When the United States Africa Command was created four years ago, it was the military’s first “smart power” command. It has no assigned troops and no headquarters in Africa itself, and one of its two top deputies is a seasoned American diplomat.

Indeed, the command, known as Africom, is intended largely to train and assist the armed forces of 53 African nations and to work with the State Department and other American agencies to strengthen social, political and economic programs in the region, including improving H.I.V. awareness in African militaries and removing land mines.

Now the young, untested command and its new boss, Gen. Carter F. Ham, find themselves at their headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, setting aside public diplomacy talks and other civilian-military duties to lead the initial phase of a complex, multinational shooting war with Libya.

“Are they up to the task?” said Kenneth J. Menkhaus, an Africa specialist at Davidson College in North Carolina. “So far, I’d say yes. Down the road, though, if it gets messier, it’ll test the capacity of Africom. This is certainly a baptism by fire.


MORE (posted in GD):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x720383








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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:44 AM
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19. GTG, one last time, Gaddafi's (prerecorded) speech drew massive crowds!


:rofl:
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:00 AM
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21. The self delusion of the Gaddafi's reaches mythic proportions
Also wanted to give you & pboy big thanks for having kept these threads going!

Cheers,

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 10:03 AM
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35. Yep, another thanks for incredible work.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 10:24 AM
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36. Thanks, but I plan to slack off a bit today
I'm still a little groggy from the last marathon--and it also makes the information more accessible and easier to keep track of (as well as less intimidating) if the thread doesn't grow to be too huge.

We also appreciate very much the contributions from you and others here in posting information in the thread (and your kicks also help to keep the thread readily visible, hint hint :) ). :thumbsup:

It certainly helps my morale to hear that others actually do find the information here worthwhile . Thanks for that. :hug:





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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:59 AM
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48. Thanks for saying that. I have been afraid to comment very much because I am not that informed.
Passionately supportive, but not informed.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:29 PM
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65. Their work here is more important now than ever.
It is a tragedy that more DUers refuse to avail themselves of this information.

:cry:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:19 AM
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23. Reuters has another telephone update from Misrata:
12.42pm:

Reuters have managed to get another telephone update from Misrata:



Western air strikes early on Wednesday hit an air base south of Libya's rebel-held Misrata where government forces are positioned, but snipers shot two people dead in the centre of the city, a resident said.

"This morning, air strikes twice hit the airbase where Gaddafi's brigades are based," the resident, called Sami, told Reuters.

"Two people were killed by snipers an hour ago in the centre of the town. Their bodies are now at the hospital, which I visited a while ago. Shooting is still going on there (in the city centre) now," he said.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:29 AM
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24. CONFIRMED: Nato warships are now patrolling off Libya's coast to enforce arms embargo
12.34pm:

A brief, and expected, update via the Associated Press - Nato commanders have confirmed that the alliance's warships are now patrolling off Libya's coast to enforce the arms embargo.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:38 AM
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25. Libyan oil firm still producing at 25%--but hopes to resume full production in a couple wks (!)
11.42am:

An interesting snippet from Reuters, who have spoken to an official at Agoco, a Libyan oil firm based in rebel-held Benghazi. Despite the surrounding chaos the company is still producing 95,000 barrels per day of oil, with two oil field working. This is around 25% of the normal level but they hope to resume full production in a couple of weeks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:47 AM
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26. Libya: UK Navy running short of Tomahawk missiles
Source: The Telegraph


Libya: Navy running short of Tomahawk missiles


The Navy could run out of Tomahawk missiles after a fifth of the Navy stockpile has been used against Libya, sources disclosed yesterday.




By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent 8:01AM GMT 23 Mar 2011


Defence insiders say as many as 12 of the weapons have been fired from the hunter–killer submarine Triumph in the past four days.

If this is correct, the Navy will have used up to 20 per cent of its 64 Tomahawks in the opening salvos of the war, leading to fears that it is "burning through" its armoury.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8400079/Libya-Navy-running-short-of-Tomahawk-missiles.html





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:59 AM
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27. Residents fleeing Ajdabiyah--shelling, gunfire, houses ablaze
13.39 <GMT> <9:39am EDT>

Fighting between rebels and Gaddafi's forces in Ajdabiyah today saw residents fleeing the strategic east Libyan oil town said, describing shelling, gunfire and houses ablaze. A 25-year-old man, who gave his name only as Faraj, said the fighting had prevented him from entering Ajdabiyah, 160 kilometres (100 miles) south of Benghazi, Libya's second city and the rebel stronghold. "We turned back because of the shelling," he said, referring to the group of people in his car heading back towards Benghazi. "There was shelling and we saw houses that were burning."

Roads lead from the small town in Libya's east to the rebel capital of Benghazi and to the oil city of Tobruk. Rebels have been struggling to retake it since it was overrun by Gaddafi's forces on Tuesday last week.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:06 AM
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28. Libya: allies to target army brigade run by Gaddafi son
Source: The Telegraph





Libya: allies to target army brigade run by Gaddafi son


British, American and other coalition aircraft are planning to target a Libyan army brigade commanded by Khamis Gaddafi, Col Gaddafi's youngest son.



By Nick Squires, aboard the USS Kearsarge 9:35AM GMT 23 Mar 2011


The 32nd Brigade is a “premier force for Colonel Gaddafi” that “we have been watching closely,” US Admiral Samuel Locklear said from his command ship, the USS Mount Whitney, which is positioned off the coast of Libya.

He said that coalition planes would target in the “coming hours and days” the unit, which is led by Khamis and is estimated to have as many as 10,000 troops.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8400251/Libya-allies-to-target-army-brigade-run-by-Gaddafi-son.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:15 AM
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29. Snipers in Misrata; "All the tanks have either escaped or been destroyed by the allied forces"
13.46

A doctor in Misrata has told the BBC World Service that there are no pro-Gaddafi tanks in the city today, "because all the tanks have either escaped or been destroyed by the allied forces". But he says the hospital where he works is still surrounded by snipers loyal to Col Gaddafi.



They are shooting anybody going in or coming out of the hospital. Until now we have four civilian dead.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:28 AM
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43. Misrata was in a desperate state yesterday, we almost lost all hope
7:42 BBC A spokesman told the BBC:

“Misrata was in a desperate state yesterday, we almost lost all hope, but the strikes came at a good time with good intensity and frequency. They even managed to take out some convoys inside the city which was very impressive. Gaddafi’s forces have been hiding in a hospital… I can tell you that there’ve been zero casualties from international strikes… There are snipers on top of buildings; Gaddafi’s forces are still stationed on the main street – Tripoli street – but there’s no random shelling anymore… I’ve been able to go out, I’ve seen bakeries and groceries open for the first time in many days. The strikes made such a difference – Gaddafi’s forces are scared of them. I want to express our gratitude and appreciation for these actions, we will never ever forget!”

http://www.libyafeb17.com/
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:32 PM
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66. Thank you, Tabatha. These are so painful to read, but so important.
:pals:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:23 AM
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30. Plea for help from town of Zintan, under renewed heavy attack by Gaddafi forces
12.01pm:

News of a renewed assault my Gaddafi loyalists on another rebel-held town, Zintan, about 50 miles south-west of Tripoli. Reuters spoke to a resident:



Gaddafi's brigades started bombardment from the northern area half an hour ago. The bombardment is taking place now. The town is completely surrounded. The situation is very bad... They are getting reinforcements. Troops backed with tanks and vehicles are coming. We appeal to the allied forces to come and protect civilians.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:39 AM
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31. Latest strikes on Gaddafi forces at Ajdabiyah likely by US Harriers from the Kearsarge
11.38am:

Tom Kington on the USS Kearsarge
has another update from last night's operations:



Four US Harrier jump jets flew bombing missions from an Navy vessel off the Libyan coast on Tuesday night as coalition forces continued attempts to dislodge Libyan forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.

The Harriers, armed with GPU 12 laser guided bombs, took off from the USS Kearsarge at 11pm local time, returning at 2am before aircraft refuelled and took of for a second sortie.

The Kearsarge's group of six Harriers attacked targets outside Benghazi on Sunday morning and near Ajdabiya on Sunday night, hitting tanks, artillery pieces and mobile missile launchers.

Officials did not reveal Tuesday night's targets, but Libyan government forces were reportedly continue to shell rebels in Ajdabiya, suggesting they remain a viable target for coalition aircraft.

Marine Colonel Mark Desens, who commands the Harriers, said that flying the vertical take-off jets from the Kearsarge gave them an advantage over conventional jets flying from airbases further away from Libya.

"With the Harriers we can turn them around very quickly and do two sorties a night," he said.




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:47 AM
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32. there was air strike to destroy F15 wreckage last night - will try to find out more #libya
14.25

There are indications that the US military has already taken steps to ensure the crashed jet in Libya doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Rob Crilly, the Telegraph correspondent who was the first journalist to find the plane yesterday, tweets:



bloke who found downed US airman called to say there was air strike to destroy F15 wreckage last night - will try to find out more #libya



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:24 AM
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42. Reuters: U.S. military official CONFIRMS U.S. bombed the wreckage of its F-15 nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:54 AM
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33. VOA: Pro-Gadhafi Assault Underway in Libya; NATO Elevates Role
Pro-Gadhafi Assault Underway in Libya; NATO Elevates Role

VOA News March 23, 2011


Forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi are pounding targets near Tripoli, as NATO moves to assume responsibility for the "no-fly" zone over the country.

Pro-Gadhafi forces have continued their assaults on the rebel-held eastern cities of Misrata and Zintan. Also, explosions and anti-aircraft fire were heard in Tripoli on Wednesday.

As the fighting continues, the Associated Press says NATO warships off Libya's coast have begun enforcing a U.N. arms embargo. Meanwhile, diplomats say preparations are underway for NATO to take a key role in enforcing flight restrictions over Libya.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/north/More-Explosions-Heard-in-Libyan-Capital-as-Gadhafi-Remains-Defiant-118491684.html





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 10:00 AM
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34. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 5 PM WEDESDAY, MARCH 23
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 10:39 AM
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37. Gaddafi's air force 'defeated'
Source: BBC




23 March 2011 Last updated at 11:00 ET

Gaddafi's air force 'defeated'


The commander of British aircraft operating over Libya has said that Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's air force "no longer exists as a fighting force".




Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell said the allies could now operate "with near impunity" over the skies of Libya.

He said they were now applying unrelenting pressure on the Libyan armed forces.

...


"We are watching over the innocent people of Libya and ensuring that we protect them from attack," he said.

"We have the Libyan ground forces under constant observation and we attack them whenever they threaten civilians or attack population centres."



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12837330




Much more at link, like this:








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 10:44 AM
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38. AFP: 3 journalists freed overnight by Libya have arried in Tunisia
5:00pm AFP:

Three journalists, including two from AFP, who were arrested in Libya at the weekend by Gaddafi's forces arrived in neighbouring Tunisia after being freed overnight.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 10:55 AM
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40. "The National Libyan Council aren't the people to ask for anything to be frank"


<Ali> despaired of what he saw as inertia by the rebel leadership in Benghazi and called for more help from the West.

"The National Libyan Council aren't the people to ask for anything to be frank. We want help from the West. If it weren't for them, Gaddafi's forces would be in Benghazi," Ali said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/23/us-libya-east-ajdabiyah-idUSTRE72M3P220110323?pageNumber=2







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:08 AM
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41. New codename: OPERATION UNIFIED PROTECTOR (naval patrols to enforce arms embargo)


Mar. 23, 2011 9:31 AM ET

NATO flotilla patrols off Libyan coast

SLOBODAN LEKICSLOBODAN LEKIC, Associated Press


BRUSSELS (AP) — NATO warships started patrolling off Libya's coast Wednesday to enforce the U.N. arms embargo, as the alliance appeared set to assume responsibility for the no-fly zone over the North African nation to protect civilians.

Canada's Brig. General Pierre St. Amand said naval operation Unified Protector "is now under way" with six vessels involved during the first day of patrols. NATO had already received offers for up to 16 ships to patrol the Mediterranean off Libya, he said.

Turkey, NATO's sole Muslim member, is an integral part of the naval blockade, having offered four frigates and one submarine, St. Amand said. Other nations offering vessels are the United States, Romania, Italy, Canada, Spain, Britain and Greece.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2011-03-23-Libya-Diplomacy/id-4dad4fa4756c4fa8a5fa04664371817d







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:31 AM
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44. BENGHAZI: Residents holding "Thankyou" rally for nations waging air campaign--AJE
6:00pm

James Bays, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Benghazi, said there is a "thank you" rally taking place there.

People have gathered to thank Britain, France, the UN, and Qatar - the reason for it is to thank international nations that have taken part in this air campaign.

If you asked those people they'd say they'd like more air strikes until the members of their family, who are opposition fighters, make their way to Tripoli.

Every family has someone who has gone towards the front line."



http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23















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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:09 PM
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50. Truly, "greeted with flowers".
It was because they asked first.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:14 PM
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51. UPDATE: Thousands march, rally to thank coalition for NFZ, air strikes on Gaddafi forces
The Telegraph reports:

More on that pro-coalition rally in Benghazi, from AFP, as thousands of people march through the streets, gathering in the city's central square.

Men, women and children filled the streets of the rebel stronghold, carrying the red, green and black rebel flag and chanting "The people want the no-fly zone", the news agency reports. The march interrupted the unusual quiet that persists in the city, where most shops remain closed and fairly few people can be seen in the streets during the day.

Many demonstrators carried French flags and signs in French thanking President Nicolas Sarkozy for his efforts to secure a United Nations Security Council resolution authorising the no-fly zone and strikes on government forces.

"One, two, three, merci Sarkozy," protesters chanted as they walked towards the courthouse square that has become the gathering place for demonstrators in the coastal city.


17:03:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:43 AM
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45. G regime reported sending 'false flag' tweets to ppl in Tripoli, threatening rape, pillage
2.27pm:

The Guardian has been told that text messages are being sent to people in Tripoli, claiming to be from rebels in Benghazi and the east, but actually sent by Gaddafi's regime.

A source in Libya said the texts say the country will be split in two. The texts also threaten that rebels from Benghazi are heading to the west of the country to rape and pillage in Tripoli, with the help of western powers.

Separately, our source claims that state television in Tripoli is showing pictures of dead people which the reports say were killed in the coalition air strikes – however some of the dead have been recognised by viewers as relatives who disappeared during Gaddafi's crackdown on Tripoli.

The Guardian is unable to confirm the source's account at this moment in time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:48 AM
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46. Interim council to set up TV station to stream in Libya from Qatar--The Guardian
The rebel Libyan interim government is to set up its own independent television station, the Guardian has been told.

The Democratic Libya Information Bureau said the interim government would set up an "independent, free" television station based in Qatar and streaming in Libya.

...


2.51pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:23 PM
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53. The Libyan Interim National Council website
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:02 PM
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49. Misrata: Gaddafi's forces virtually wiped out; 94 dead in town, 1300+ wounded
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 12:05 PM by pinboy3niner
An email from The Guardian correspondent Chris McGreal in Misrata:




Nearly 12 hours of allied air strikes have virtually wiped out Muammar Gaddafi's forces that were attacking the rebel-held town of Misrata and ended five days of bloody assault that cost nearly 100 lives. Mohammed Ali, an IT engineer at the town's main hospital, said that waves of air strikes which began shortly after midnight destroyed tanks and artillery that Gaddafi's army had been using to shell the heart of Misrata.

"The air strikes went on until 11.30 this morning. After that there was no shelling. We are very relieved. We are very grateful. We want to thank he world. The Gaddafi forces are scattered around. All that is left is the snipers and our fighters can take care of them," he said.

Ali said that among the targets of the air strikes was a former hospital used by Gaddafi's army as a station for its tanks during its assault on Misrata. He said that the hospital was almost destroyed along with all the tanks during the coalition bombing attack. Ali said that the past five days of fighting left 94 people dead and more than 1,300 injured. About 60 civilians were among the dead, including whole families killed in their cars or homes.




3.51pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:22 PM
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52. Can you still access these two sites right now?
http://www.libyafeb17.com/ is a 403 error

and

http://feb17.info/

is getting no reply.

Odd that they would both be down like this, at the same time.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:24 PM
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54. The first site is undergoing a layout change.
I got that info from here:

http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb
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Dansk Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:50 PM
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57. At least one of them has been hacked
"URGENT: Libyafeb17.com has been hacked. We're working on getting things back up asap. Apologies for the inconvenience. #Libya #Feb17"
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:53 PM
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59. Thanks for the info, Dansk, and welcome to DU !
:hi:






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:05 PM
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61. Yep, seems as though they changed the message.
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 01:54 PM by tabatha
First it was layout change, and now it is hacked.

It is back to layout change. I guess we'll see when it is up again.


Anonymoosh: poco they are not being attacked
Poco_Max: ohh ok
Anonymoosh: they are changing the layout
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:57 PM
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84. Both are back online now
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 03:05 PM by Iterate
Thanks everyone, and Welcome Dansk! That Was quick.

Didn't mean to post and run.

On edit: both reports concerning http://www.libyafeb17.com/ seem to be true. They report via twitter that they were updating then hacked at nearly the same time.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:25 PM
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55. Libyan rebels foresee democratic regime

Source: Sky News




Libyan rebels foresee democratic regime
Updated: 03:45, Thursday March 24, 2011


Representatives of the Libyan opposition's Interim National Council said in Paris late on Tuesday that a post-Gaddafi regime would be 'secular and democratic'.

They also predicted that the embattled Libyan leader, who has continued to press against rebel-held towns despite a UN-backed military campaign, would fall quickly, opening the way for a rebuilding of Libyan society.

...


Ali Zeidan said the conflict could be over 'in 10 days if the air strikes continue with the same intensity to take out armoured cars and heavy artillery. We have enough men to march on Tripoli. We are sure of victory.'

France was the first nation to recognition the rebel-led authority, which it did on March 10 after a meeting in Paris between council members and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

'In Libya, now they say, 'One, Two, Three, merci Sarkozy',' Al-Nasr said.


http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=592610&vId=












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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:50 PM
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58. LINK to original Agence France Presse story:
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:40 PM
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81. I am Sure Sarkozy Appreciates Being Thanked
with the English phrase "one, two, three". LOL
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:44 PM
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56. Médecins Sans Frontières, the medical group, says it has been unable to get into Libya
The Guardian:

Médecins Sans Frontières, the medical group, says it has been unable to get into Libya although some of its supplies did reach Misrata on Monday. Its teams in Benghazi left last week as fighting reached the rebel stronghold and other MSF staff have not received authorisation to cross the Tunisian border.



4.15pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates






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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 12:56 PM
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60. K&R Can I just say - these threads are a better and faster news source
than even Aljazeera now! Great job you guys are doing. :applause:

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:16 PM
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62. Journalists under attack in Libya: The tally
Some good, detailed information from the Committeee to Protect Journalists on suppression of the press by the Gaddafi regime in Libya since the protests began. AT the link is a live compilation of incidents that is constantly updated:



Journalists under attack in Libya: The tally


CPJ has documented more than 60 attacks on the press since political unrest erupted in Libya last month. They include two fatalities, a gunshot injury, 36 detentions, nine assaults, two attacks on news facilities, the jamming of Al-Jazeera and Al-Hurra transmissions, at least three instances of obstruction, and the interruption of Internet service. At least six local journalists are missing amid speculation they are in the custody of security forces. One media support worker is also unaccounted for. Here's a running list of all attacks on journalists and the media in Libya since February 16:

http://www.cpj.org/blog/2011/03/journalists-under-attack-in-libya.php









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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:24 PM
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64. Snipers have killed 16 people today in Misurata--National Council spokesman



Snipers have killed 16 people today in Misurata, according to Hafiz Ghoga, the official spokesman for the rebel national council.

Ghoga also told Reuters during a press conference in Benghazi that six people were killed in a bombardment by Gaddafi forces at the eastern entrance to the town of Zintan.


17:17
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html









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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:33 PM
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67. Norway willing to ground its warplanes if risks to civilians from any mission is too great
Norway has said that it is willing to ground its fighter-bombers if it thinks that the risks to civilians from any mission is too great. Defence Minister Grete Faremo told reporters:



If Norway can't take part in the operational plans that emerge - if the risk of civilian lives being lost is too great, for example - Norway can take out the 'red card' and keep its fighters from participating.




17:20:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:42 PM
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68. 11 nations have contributed 150 aircraft to operations over Libya
Richard Norton-Taylor, the Guardian's security expert, reports:




US, British, and French aircraft have flown more than 300 sorties over Libya since Saturday and more than 162 Tomahawk cruise missiles have been fired. Four Tornado planes based at RAF Marham in Norfolk flew direct to Libya on the first two nights. The Trafalgar class submarines , HMS Triumph, has fired Tomahawk cruise missiles but less than its full complement of 16, it is understood.

David Cameron told MPs that the Qataris on Tuesday deployed Mirage aircraft while Kuwait and Jordan would be providing "logistical contributions", adding that "further support will be forthcoming" from Arab countries. He said 11 nations had contributed 150 aircraft to operations over Libya but a "lot more remained to be done".


5.24pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:51 PM
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69. Military source: American jets carried out strafing runs during the rescue of a pilot yesterday

The Telegraph's Nick Squires has been told by a military source that American jets carried out strafing runs during the rescue of a pilot yesterday, possibly explaining the injuries to civilians:



US warplanes conducted strafing runs during an operation to rescue a downed fighter pilot, a military source told the Daily Telegraph.

The cannon fire could explain the fact that several civilians were injured by bullets fired during the mission near the opposition stronghold of Benghazi.

Four Harriers were sent from the USS Kearsarge in the early hours of Tuesday morning to provide cover for a pair of Osprey helicopters whose task was to pick up a pilot who ejected from his F-15E Strike Eagle because of a mechanical failure.




18.21:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8390035/Libya-Live.html






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:16 PM
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75. UPDATE: More from The Guardian on U.S. firing/civilian casualties during rescue yesterday
From the naval air base of Sigonella in Italy, a key stating post for the air strikes on Libya, Tom Kington has some more detail shedding light on the injuring of a number of villagers close to where a US fighter jet crased on Monday night:



American fighter aircraft fired cannons to protect a downed US pilot in Libya on Tuesday, close to where local residents were reportedly injured by gunfire, a US military source revealed.

The source's statement on Wednesday could explain how at least eight Libyans near the scene were wounded by gunfire. The US military denied early reports that two helicopters arriving to collect the pilot in the early hours of Tuesday fired on locals.

The source said Harrier jump jets that had arrived at the scene before the helicopters "strafed" the ground as they flew low over a group of vehicles indicated as a potential threat to the pilot. A second source told the Guardian the vehicles were targeted about three miles from the stranded pilot, about 30 minutes before the helicopters arrived.

The pilot and a crew member had parachuted from their F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft after it suffered a mechanical failure during a raid near Benghazi, parachuting to separate locations. Two Osprey tiltrotor aircraft were dispatched from the USS Kearsarge off the Libyan coast to pick up the pilot, located thanks to a GPS signal, the source said.

The second crew member could not be traced by rescuers because his GPS was not transmitting, he said. He was met by locals who took him and gave him shelter. He is now reportedly at Aviano air base in northern Italy.



6.48pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:54 PM
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70. Operation In Libya Costs US Military Hundreds Of Millions And Price Tag Could Rise
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 01:58 PM
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71. CNN:Govt officials taking journalists into east Tripoli are lost...
4:05pm: @NicRobertsonCNN : Govt officials taking journalists into east Tripoli are lost and can’t find the so-called damaged house. Just driving around.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:03 PM
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73. So the Tripoli Bobs are also Wrong Way Corrigans. LOL?
:rofl:






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:06 PM
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74. They have to get their lies in order.
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 02:13 PM by tabatha
:rofl:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:19 PM
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77. Gaddafi's thugs hit a snag lighting their bomb fuse to damage a house...
Wet matches. :rofl:






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:37 PM
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89. Is that true. Or maybe an excuse that they really did not want to.
Hilarious.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:01 PM
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72. New tweet from The Guardian correspondent Martin Chulov in Libya:

#Libya campaign reaching a 'now what' point. Can civilians ever be safe without 2 words Obama wants never to utter - regime change?

less than a minute ago via web

Martin Chulov
martinchulov



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:27 PM
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78. NATO diplomat says envoys fail to agree on taking over command of Libya operations (Reuters)



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:30 PM
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79. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 9:30 PM WEDESDAY, MARCH 23
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:40 PM
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80. AP: Canada carries out its first attacks in Libya
The news service is reporting that Canadian warplanes dropped "four laser-guided bombs on an ammunition depot."

According to AP:



"Maj.-Gen. Tom Lawson, the deputy chief of air force staff, said that four CF-18 jet fighters, supported by two air-to-air refueling aircraft, conducted two separate bombing runs Tuesday night and Wednesday morning."

http://hosted2.ap.org/txdam/633c954da7d9434f9de7ed15f38075aa/Article_2011-03-23-CN-Canada-Libya-Bombing/id-3cc01beff80c41b1919c89bdd7a9d27b



The first run was reportedly conducted near Misrata; no information was provided on the second run.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:46 PM
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82. Reuters: Dr in Misurata saying government tanks closing in on hosp. and shelling area nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:51 PM
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83. BREAKING, AJE: Libya officials say they will release Al Jazeera crew of 4 within 24 hours
Libyan authorities say they will release Al Jazeera's reporting crew within 24 hours, after they were detained in west Libya last week.

The crew includes two correspondents, one Tunisian and another Mauritanian, and two cameramen, one Norwegian and one British.

9:30pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-23





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:09 PM
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85. SYRIA: At least 15 dead in government crackdown on protesters
The Guardian reports:

Just to clarify, the death toll in Syria from a crackdown on anti-government demonstrators now seems to be at least 13 <sic>, according to the news wires.

Reuters says that at least six were killed in the pre-dawn attack on the al-Omari mosque in the southern agricultural city of Daraa, where protesters have taken to the streets in calls for reforms and political freedoms, according to witnesses said.

An activist in contact with people in Daraa said police shot another three people protesting in its Roman-era city center after dusk. Six more bodies were found later in the day, the activist said.


7.12pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1


6+3+6 DOES = 15 doesn't it?







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:20 PM
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86. Secretary Clinton waging psychological warfare on Gaddafi?


Some more apparent psychological warfare now, this time from the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

She has urged Gaddafi to leave Libya, adding that his inner circle should "make the right decision", the Associated Press news agency reports.

Observers have suggested that one of the primary aims of the coalition mounting air strikes in libya is to force 'palace coup'.


7.08pm:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1










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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:30 PM
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87. Revolutionary council names US-based academic top financial official for transition gov't.
The Guardian reports:

A new name to throw into the mix now: Ali Tarhouni. He is a US based academic who the Libyan rebel national council has just named as top financial official in a transitional government it says it is in the process of setting up.

A member of the Libyan opposition for 40 years while living in the US, he will head the financial and commercial committee, in effect acting as finance minister, Reuters reports.

Tarhouni has a doctorate in economics and finance from Michigan State University and teaches at the Foster School of Business at the University of Washington, Seattle.
"He understands the Western mentality," said a spokeswoman.


7.50pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:36 PM
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88. AFP reports huge blast heard in in a military base 20 miles to the east of Tripoli nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:45 PM
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90. Libya's Warfalla tribe planning peaceful 'green march' to Benghazi
Ian Black, the Guardian's Middle East editor, has filed a report from Bani Walid, the centre of the Warfalla tribe.



A peaceful 'green march' to Benghazi is being planned by members of Libya's biggest tribe, which is now anxious to be seen as a loyal pillar of the regime.

...


The tribe's geographical distribution means it is well-placed to help heal bitter divisions by joining a peaceful "green march" to the eastern city to promote reconciliation and avoid the Korea-style partition of the country many fear.

It is also highly likely that this innocent-sounding mass movement – involving large numbers of civilians carrying olive branches through a war zone – is a government-inspired propaganda stunt intended to complicate military operations by the coalition and the rebels.

But Salman al-Dagil insists it is not. "We will talk to them, not use guns, to discuss their demands," said the Bani Walid doctor.

"Some are youths who want things but have been exploited. Do they want to divide the country? No, we will not agree to that. Do they want a constitution? The majority must agree. No one wants to replace Muammar Gaddafi. But the problem is a conspiracy against Libya."

Locals insist that no significant Warfalla figure is involved in the opposition despite early claims that the entire tribe had defected. There has been talk of large cash payments to ensure they did not – or changed sides again.

According to rumours in Tripoli, key tribes have been offered large sums of money to ensure that they toe the line at this time of unprecedented danger to the regime. Tribal leaders can be seen in their finery in the capital's best hotel and being driven around in the sleek government vehicles reserved for VIPs.




8.30pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1








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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:47 PM
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91. LBN WP:Sanctions in 72 hours: How the U.S. pulled off a major freeze of Libyan assets
Posted in LBN by Kber
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4784455

Washington Post: Sanctions in 72 hours: How the U.S. pulled off a major freeze of Libyan assets
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sanctions-in-72-hours-how-the-us-pulled-off-a-major-freeze-of-libyan-assets/2011/03/11/ABBckxJB_story.html

Interesting, with much that we already knew, but adds on-the-scene detail. Remember though that only those in the G Family Evil Regime or those who were on the previous sanction list were included in the asset freeze, yet the ~$30 Billion was equal to about half the Libyan GDP.

After this is all over with I'd love to see a congressional investigation of the Monitor Group and other the neocon advising groups who helped G set up the sovereign trust funds. But no, I won't hold my breath.


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 03:55 PM
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92. Al Jazeera's Alan Fisher reports on Gaddafi's defiance, despite coalition action:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:03 PM
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93. U.S., allies attack targets across Libya but haven't stopped Kadafi

Source: Los Angeles Times





U.S., allies attack targets across Libya but haven't stopped Kadafi


Despite strikes by foreign forces and calls by President Obama to withdraw, Moammar Kadafi loyalists are stepping up efforts to put down the rebellion.



By David S. Cloud, Washington Bureau

March 23, 2011, 1:16 p.m.



WASHINGTON — U.S. and allied warplanes struck targets across Libya as military units loyal to leader Moammar Kadafi continued to carry out attacks against opposition-held cities, U.S. military officials said.

U.S. fighters destroyed two missile sites around Tripoli, and allied planes also hit a government ammunition depot outside the city of Misurata and Libyan army ground forces around Ajdabiya. But the air campaign, now in its fifth day, so far has not succeeded in halting Kadafi's forces from carrying out attacks in several cities where rebels remain.

Rear Adm. Gerard Hueber, a top U.S. officer in the operation, said the air campaign was now shifting westward and focusing on hitting Libyan units and facilities outside cities where attacks against rebels strongholds are occurring.

...


"In Ajdabiya, regime forces intensified combat in, into and out of the city. In Misurata, regime forces continue to clear opposition, increase combat operations and target civilian populations in the city," Heuber said.

...


http://www.latimes.com/news/sc-dc-0324-libya-fighting-20110323,0,683960.story


















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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:12 PM
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94. Libya: Allied air strikes secure Misrata for rebels

Source: The Guardian





Libya: Allied air strikes secure Misrata for rebels


Siege ends in key town as bombs destroy Gaddafi's tanks and artillery but regime continue to hold Ajdabiya despite air raids




Chris McGreal in Benghazi, Ewen MacAskill in Washington, and Richard Norton-Taylor guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 23 March 2011 20.18 GMT



Nearly 12 hours of allied air strikes have broken the Libyan regime's five-day bloody assault on the key rebel-held town of Misrata.

Residents said yesterday that the aerial bombardment destroyed tanks and artillery and sent many of Muammar Gaddafi's forces fleeing from Misrata, ending a siege and attack by the regime that cost nearly 100 lives from random shelling, snipers and bitter street fighting.

...


The apparent breaking of the siege will be a blow to the Libyan ruler's attempts to reassert control over the entire west of the country.

It may also serve as a further deterrent, along with the destruction of Gaddafi's tanks, artillery and soldiers that were attacking Benghazi, to those still fighting for the dictator.

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/libya-allied-air-strikes-misrata











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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:23 PM
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95. The difference with Libya
Posted in GD by pampango:

The difference with Libya

Unlike Bahrain or Yemen, the scale and nature of the Gaddafi regime's actions have impelled the UN's 'responsibility to protect'


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x726381





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:30 PM
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96. Reuters: Gov't tanks at East and West entrances of Ajdabiyah, Arabiya television reports nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:38 PM
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97. The Guardian's updates on tonight's airstrikes:

Air strikes hit positions of Libyan government forces in the rebel-held city of Misrata this evening, but government snipers firing from rooftops killed 16 people, a rebel spokesman has told Reuters.

Air strikes have hit Muammar Gaddafi's compound in Ajdabiyah, according to Arabiya TV, not the one in Tripoli as reported earlier.


9.24pm and 9.12pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:49 PM
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98. The impact of airstrikes on the balance of power between opposition/regime
The Guardian:

The impact of nearly 12 hours of allied air strikes on the balance of power between rebels and the Libyan regime is examined in this piece by Chris McGreal in the rebel held city Benghazi, Ewen MacAskill in Washington and Richard Norton-Taylor in London.

While the regime continues to hold Ajdabiya, despite air raids, a siege has ended in the key town of Mistrata.



The apparent breaking of the siege will be a blow to the Libyan ruler's attempts to reassert control over the entire west of the country.

...


Ali described the past five days of attack on Misrata as "hell".

"It was crazy in the last five days. The hospital was overwhelmed. Ninety four people were killed. Sixty of them were civilians. Whole families were wiped out driving in their cars," he said. "The injured were more than 1,300. About 115 serious cases were kept in hospital. Everyone without life threatening injures was sent home. I've seen people who've just had a leg amputated sent home."

Ali said that the town has had no water or electricity for nine days. The medical centre is running on a generator.

The air strikes in and around Misrata suggest that what appears to be a tactic of Gaddafi's forces to shelter in residential areas, in response to the destruction of tanks and guns on the open desert road near Benghazi, has not provided protection.

Residents of the town said that the coalition aircraft managed to destroy the regime's armour without any known civilian casualties.




9.03pm:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/23/libya-crisis-live-updates1












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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:03 PM
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99. Congress could vote on Libya war next week




Congress could vote on Libya war next week

Posted By Josh Rogin
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 4:25 PM


Congress may hold a vote on President Barack Obama's decision to attack Libya when lawmakers return from recess next week, according to Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL).
Durbin, along with Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Jack Reed (D-RI) held a conference call with reporters on Wednesday afternoon as part of the White House's damage control effort following the widespread and bipartisan criticism over of the lack of congressional consultation before the intervention in Libya, and the lack of clarity over the mission's goals.

"None of us can say with any certainty what will happen when we return, but under the War Powers Act, any senator can ask under privilege of the Senate to call this question, as to whether or not we will support these actions taken by the president," Durbin said. "I think it's consistent with our constitutional responsibility to take up that question," through a vote

Asked by The Cable how Congress plans to pay for the Libya intervention, the costs of which are approaching $1 billion, Durbin said, "I haven't heard anything on that score yet."


http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/congress_could_vote_on_libya_war_next_week








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:15 PM
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100. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:15 AM THURSDAY, MARCH 24
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:21 PM
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101. Flames reported coming from military base in Tajura, near Tripoli
Back to those reports of an airstrike on a military base in Tajura, near Tripoli: Witnesses have told AFP they can see flames coming from the base. Tajura – home to key Libyan military facilities – was struck by coalition forces on Saturday.


21:58pm:
http://feb17.info/






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:25 PM
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102. More loud explosions heard in Tripoli during past hour...
Correspondents in Tripoli says more loud explosions have been heard in the capital over the past hour but their location is unclear. They say they appeared to come from the direction of Col Gaddafi’s compound, but could also have come from the Tajura district where reports say a military base has been hit.

12:05pm
http://feb17.info/






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:39 PM
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106. ? But those two aren't really even close to each other.
While I'm here (don't want to waste my daily allotment of posts), for all the volumes of historical metaphor out there, when reading your posts the one time and place that comes to my mind is...Libya in 2011.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:45 PM
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118. I think what they mean...
...is that, if you're roughly on the same line running through both locations, the observer's limited depth/distance perception at night would make it extremely difficult to tell how far away the flash of a blast is.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:58 PM
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103. VIDEO: ABC News goes to now-bombed F-15 wreckage (0:54):
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:48 PM
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107. Video link fix
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:51 PM
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109. Thanks. I SWEAR I didn't break it! :)
(This is when having a little brother comes in very handy... ) :evilgrin:

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:07 PM
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112. It worked out well enough.
I did need the memory training, as all who know me will attest.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:15 PM
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104. Libya conflict: 30 dramatic pictures by Goran Tomasevic
Serbian-born Reuters photographer Goran Tomasevic, 40, has been on the frontline with rebel fighters throughout the conflict in Libya. In this gallery, we look at the fight for Libya as captured by one photographer:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8395143/Libya-conflict-30-dramatic-pictures-by-Goran-Tomasevic.html





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:27 PM
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105. Image #6 - really high tech.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:29 PM
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116. Is that what they mean by the expression, 'getting a leg up'? :)



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:48 PM
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108. Your Efforts Are Appreciated, Sir
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 06:56 PM by The Magistrate
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:07 PM
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111. Actually a selector of news that is negative.
Nothing like here, where a vast array of data is provided.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:08 PM
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113. Sort Of Like A 'Crisis Pregnancy Center', Ma'am, Run By The Ilk Of Operation Rescue....
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:49 PM
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120. We try very hard to be balanced and post everything we find. Thanks for stopping by.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:49 PM
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123. Perhaps it wasn't intended, but seeing that brought a moment of calm.
I don't mind constant doubt; it's useful. A moment without doubt is nice too.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:04 PM
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110. Gadhafi troops attack main hospital in Misrata
Source:CNN





Gadhafi troops attack main hospital in Misrata

By the CNN Wire StaffMarch 23, 2011 -- Updated 2121 GMT (0521 HKT)


Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Despite coalition airstrikes, troops loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi continued to terrorize residents of the besieged rebel-held city of Misrata Wednesday.

In the city's main hospital, where 400 people -- about half of them patients -- were located, one witness said Gadhafi's forces had attacked. The push began at 8 p.m. (2 p.m. ET), when "heavy tanks for Gadhafi troops start attacking the hospital -- the bombs falling here 20 meters (66 feet) around us," said one person inside the hospital. He said two deaths had occurred "around the hospital."

At one point, shelling occurred without respite for 40 minutes, he said. "Now, fortunately, no more shelling, but the situation is so serious that all the teams here -- the doctors, the patients -- are paralyzed, scared."

He called for international intervention to protect the civilians inside the institution. "Nobody can work here," he said. All the doctors here are completely paralyzed." Ambulances were not able to leave the hospital, which had lost its electricity and was running on generator power, he said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/23/libya.war/index.html?iref=NS1










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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:24 PM
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115. Attacking hospitals? OMG. Thank you for all your work. Nt
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:49 PM
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119. No words.
Just tears.

And to think some here posted things that basically say: Gaddafi isn't so bad afterall, he has a right to defend himself, or it's just a misinformation campaign... :(

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:18 PM
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114. U.S. finds no organized Al Qaeda presence in Libya opposition, officials say

Source: Los Angeles Times






U.S. finds no organized Al Qaeda presence in Libya opposition, officials say



Eastern Libya, the rebels' base, has a history as a breeding ground for Islamic militants, but an intelligence-gathering effort has not uncovered a significant number of extremists, officials say.



By Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times

March 23, 2011, 4:46 p.m.


Reporting from Washington— Despite fears that Islamic extremists may be playing a hidden role in the rebellion against Moammar Kadafi, the U.S. intelligence community has found no organized presence of Al Qaeda or its allies among the Libyan opposition, American officials say.

A U.S. intelligence-gathering effort that began shortly after anti-Kadafi forces started seizing towns in eastern Libya last month has not uncovered a significant presence of Islamic militants among the insurgents.

"We're keeping an eye out for extremist activity in Libya, but we haven't seen much, if any, to date," said a U.S. counter-terrorism official. A Defense official added that the U.S. had not seen a direct link between the opposition and extremists.

...


"Who is behind the revolution? It's not the Islamists or the jihadists," said Noman Benotman, a former Libyan militant now with the Quilliam Foundation, a London-based group staffed by former Islamic radicals. "It's ordinary people, moderates, liberals, lawyers and writers."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-rebels-intel-20110324,0,5352122.story













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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:36 PM
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117. Love that cartoon.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:03 PM
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121. Libyan airforce down but civilians still under attack

Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation





Libyan airforce down but civilians still under attack


Ben Knight reported this story on Thursday, March 24, 2011 08:00:00


TONY EASTLEY: In Libya the international military force has extended its control over the country's airspace claiming that coalition fighter jets can now operate with impunity.

As if to emphasise the point coalition fighter planes have struck Libyan government forces on both sides of the country.

A naval blockade has also been put in place.

But the US military says there is no sign Gaddafi's ground forces are pulling back and the American chief of staff for the coalition operation says Gaddafi's troops have stepped up their attacks on civilians in Misurata in the west of the country and Ajdabiya in the west.

Middle East correspondent Ben Knight reports from the coastal city of Tobruk.

BEN KNIGHT: One of the main aims of the UN resolution was to stop Libyan government jets from bombing opposition towns.

Now the British air vice-marshal Greg Bagwell says that mission has succeeded and the no-fly zone over Libya is now in place.

GREG BAGWELL: Their air force no longer exists as a fighting force and his integrated air defence system and command and control networks are severely degraded to the point that we can operate over his airspace with impunity.

As we continue to enforce the no-fly zone we are watching over the innocent people of Libya and ensuring that we protect them from attack.

BEN KNIGHT: Now that the Libyan air force is grounded and with its air defences also out of action coalition fighters can now fly even lower than before.

And that means they're able to hit even smaller targets on the ground - exactly the sort of forces that are attacking rebel cities.

(Sound of protesters singing)

In Benghazi thousands protested in the streets demanding that the coalition do just that - demanding more air strikes to defend Misurata.

PROTESTER: This is the most important point for now. I'm trying to call my friends and my families in Misurata. They are completely surrounded.

I hope - I hope the United Nations to bomb the militias around Misurata.

They are completely damaged. It's miserable there in Misurata.

...


This is Ben Knight in Tobruk, Libya, reporting for AM.


More:
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3172162.htm














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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:17 PM
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122. Day 35 here:
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