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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:33 AM
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Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.-Thomas Jefferson.
He spoke those words to warn us about the tyranny of government, but I think they can also be applied to another type of tyranny. The tyranny of corporations and capitalism. We have ceased being vigilant against the rise of corporate power in our country, we have allowed the wealthy to buy off our elected representatives and create a system of Oligarchy. If we ever want a real democracy then we must overthrow this system of Oligarchy. We must publicly fund all elections and allow no private money. We must not allow lobbyists to infiltrate the government anymore, in fact I would even go so far as to say all major corporations should be ran as co-ops by the workers though I know some may say that is going too far. We must also reinstate the fairness doctrine so that rightwing propaganda will not take hold again. What do you all think of my suggestions? Too extreme? Not extreme enough?
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marginlized Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:51 AM
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1. Not even close...
well, converting ALL Corps to Coops is a bit extreme. And the history if United Airlines is instructive.
But RADICAL = taxing NET WORTH, not just income.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:00 AM
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2. It can be argued that he WAS talking about corporations and capitalism
Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 11:01 AM by RaleighNCDUer
as well as government.

It is not just by chance that the Boston Tea Party went after a British East India Company ship - the BEIC (as it would be known today) was behind much of British imperialism of the time - taxes in the colonies (which were actually lower than taxes in the home islands) helped support the British army and navy, which protected the corporate interests of the British mercantilism in the colonies of the Americas, India and Australia (and gearing up for major incursions into Africa and the middle-east), but most particularly the giant tea plantations of India and Ceylon.

America was a corporate cash cow for the Empire, and the British government and British corporations were inextricably linked.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 12:03 PM
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7. A good point, hadn't considered it that way, the Boston connection that is.
I had started thinking about the First (or second) Indian War for Independence in 1857, another forgotten bit of relevant history, because it too was ignited when the political and social structure was corrupted by the BEIC. Bloody business, that was. If I ever get a decade of spare time, I'd like to spend it understanding 1% of what happened there and then.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:39 AM
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3. Thomas jeffferson did not say that...
Read http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_eternal_vigilance_is_the_price_of_freedom for an idea of where that came from.

Andy Jackson said "But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government." -- Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:42 AM
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5. Damn you google!
I searched for that quote and the author came up as Jefferson.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:48 AM
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6. You aren't the only one...
I found this is a common idea.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:41 AM
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4. Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies." ~ Thomas Jefferson
I like this one better.
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