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...and the replacement Dems keep kowtowing to it, what's gained?

So we manage to get rid of Walker, will we also get rid of his rule to let the Koch brothers have electric plants in WI for free? That's what the Repugs do. They enact horrible rules, get thrown out, but most of the rules stay. Indefinite detention, torture, Guantanamo, Patriot Acts, oil co. laws where we pay them to extort money from us - all horrible relics of Bushco and left untouched by Obama.

Every time, the Repulsicans gain power they over play and that history repeats.

I know many Democrats who turned Republican following that and never came back.

They even changed their views on other issues as well. Don't know if this is because they entered the RW information silo, or if they just support "their side". Certainly, they are often clueless on the topics. For instance, 100% of my family now claims to be "pro-Life". About 90% of them believe abortion should be legal -and- without government intrusion. Which, of course, makes them pro-Choice. But they don't really pay that much attention to that subject.

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Like most Americans, I do not like being lied to by the Republicons. I am not stupid, as they seem to think. I don't like being patronized, and I don't like paying the 'FAIR SHARE' of taxes for billionaires that the Republicon FatCat PuppetMasters weasel out of with their packs of bullshit and baloney.

Some people never learn.

Just re-program the computers that count the vote.

would put the sticker on their cars! NEVER NEVER NEVER vote for a republican!! They HATE government...so why in the hell would they want to be IN government?

There are only 3 reasons somebody who doesn't BELIEVE in government WANTS to be in government. 1)Ideological. Dismember government all together. 2) Get as much graft out of government as you can for as long as you can to enrich yourself or your friends. 3) A combination of the two.

EVERY time you ask this question of a teabagger/libertarian, they do NOT have an answer.

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they beat around the bush rather than change the things the electorate rejected from the rethugs. When Dems are elected to replace the rethugs and change things, they end up disappointing the electorate as well with their namby-pamby approach - 'too much bi-partisanship'. Dems need to balance the electorate's desire for change with the centrist 'almighty bi-partisanship' because it is dispiriting to have elected people to effect changes in the system and instead find that everything remains the same with the old power guards still in absolute control regardless of the party in elected.

discussions at the MOOT LEVEL....where emotion thrives....

It's interesting to think about the "governors-at-risk" and their agendas as a collective...a well managed program to deface and hi-jack the America I know.

It's a well managed agenda coming from the top of the party. The people who give lip-service to "state's rights" are attempting to impose one agenda on many states at once, showing themselves to be the hypocrites they are.

There is no doubt about that at all.

Walker is history, and out of office, just as soon as we can legally do it.

That's scary to me.

It would be refreshing to get back to old time politic'g off the backs of trains and at whistle stops. Let them work for the job, not buy it.

There are some primitive life forms that are almost indestructable.

clearly like this on the corporate media, do you? It makes a compelling story when it's all laid out like that, doesn't it? I thought the media was interested in compelling news stories.

you mean stories that compel people to accept right-wing propaganda, yes, that's what they're interested in.

Will the pro-Republican results change? No.

Here in Tennessee, where Democrats hold an 8 point edge in party affiliation over Republicans, Republicans are winning every race on unverifiable voting machines that their newly (s)elected Republican majority (for the first time since Reconstruction) in our legislature insists we keep using.

In Memphis in August, 2010, only white Republicans were (s)elected for county offices in one of the blackest and bluest cities in this country.

On Diebold/Premier/(whatever they call themselves this week) voting machines.

When we failed to support and pass the Holt bill (to ban unverifiable voting equipment) when Democrats controlled the Congress, we sealed our own fate.

And it's not because most Election Reforum forum DUers didn't tell us so ... over and over again.

if the machines can be hacked then they need to demonstrate that. Throw a bunch of prominent races to the Greens or Bugs Bunny.

how the HELL did these people get elected?
i guess it's human nature. we have to suffer before we learn.

Kaisich won't be facing re-election for 4 years, so his rating now is meaningless. Pretty much the same with the rest. And whatever Dem is running each of them, will be hit with a 6-month drumbeat of "Socialist, Socialist, Liberal, Socialist, Big Government, Socialist" on every media outlet in the state.

these numbers are encouraging, but don't mean very much. If any of these recall efforts actually work my optimism will take a major leap. Good luck to those involved.

k&r

...how to cut my son's education to help the state budget!

Sen/Gov Brownback can go to Hell!!!

They have the Power NOW and will take advantage of it...They know the Republican Party is destined for losses in the future because the young and the rapidly increasing minorities are not going to vote Republican..Their day is rapidly coming to an end so NOW is the time for them to do whatever it is that they believe needs doing. No time to waste..

Americans are so easily wooed by Madison Ave. and so enamored of being part of a "team" that you can sell toxic waste to them with the right campaign. Who would have ever imagined that Democrats would be in support of three wars-two of them started by Bush? Cheer for the team, everyone! So let's not get too comfortable. We need better candidates the next time around to counter the onslaught of corporate cash flowing to the GOP and DLC.

aka Voter ID laws to combat nonexistent "voter fraud." They are more desperate to suppress the Democratic vote than they ever were. They know there is no way in hell they can ever legitimately win another congressional majority. They probably cheated to get the one they have now!

Then the Big Regret sets in but the damage is done - for years to come.

WATCH. AND. LEARN.

Will continue to stay away from the polls in protest, making their own beliefs, manipulated by the GOP media come true. I've seen a self-fulfilling prophecy come to pass, where many were cynical and refused to vote for the 'lesser' of the two evils. While the dogma and media driven GOP faith will vote for these guys or some different face with the same agenda again.

The Democratic cynics may or may not have learned just how dangerous the 'greater' of the two evils could be with a majority. I'm never going to say that the Dems are perfect, but folks who stomp off in a huff are only empowering that they fear the most. Sopme are now still blaming the beleagered minority for what the fanatic majority are doing, saying to never vote again, period. I understand the fear and outrage, but I'm going to vote for mine.

No way for anything progressive to get done by staying away, except in the realm of personal life choices. Which is what Obama actually warned would have to happen for people to be free; that they had be more indepedent and self-sufficient.

It's not like he couldn't see the writing on the wall after a generation of GOP rule pillaging the nation like locusts and termites.

So, despite all to the contrary, I'm voting Democrat again. Because in my area we have progressives who do exactly what I sent them to do, resist wars, maintain the social safety net, protect the environment, fight corporate governance and guarantee human rights for everyone.

Progressives have been hampered by having less support by virtue of their numbers in the legislatures for years, and it's not their fault. We've had good reprentatives for years, like Kucinich, Feingold and Sanders, or even newer ones like Grayson, yet those who stayed away let the GOP put them out of office or ineffective.

Is that the fault of the Democratic Party, which never gets a fair day in the court of media opinion unless it plays GOP lite?

How anyone thinks sitting back and letting the GOP take over their cities, states and country is not voting for evil, the lesser or the greater, is beyond me.

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These polls clearly show that voters do not approve of this "move to right far right" policy agenda by representatives and governors.

Attacks on "entitlements", collective bargaining and selling off public assets is a lurch to the right.

So any Democrats claiming this as a strategy for success is either woefully misinformed or working for the same 'powers' that Walker and Kasich are working for. Let's get that straight here and now!

the Dems didn't go far enough left!

see post 18 for a more realistic assesment

Voters were swayed in the first place. The agenda was pretty clear last November. There are few surprises out there. Plus, Walkers support is surprisingly high in Wisconsin given the details and tactics he has displayed. Voters still aren't getting it to the degree that they need to.

to know what crazy and stupid is. Helping corporations, cutting programs like planned parenthood, killing unions, tax breaks for the rich??? Who would think any of these decisions are going to help must be a little messed up in the head.

I guess it was to be predicted. Too bad the consequences affect us all.

Those who voted for him had their reasons and they still have them. Probably half of them are Dominionist or fundamentalist religionists or have employment for some firm that contributed to Walker.

The reason these repugnant things got into office is that Democrats stayed home because they didn't sift through the atmosphere the media has created. Nothing but disparagement, divide and conquer.

Some people I know got into the conspiracy stuff and moving people out of the old systems of doing things. All well and good. They said they feared the accumulation of power into the hands of a few who would create a nightmare in the future.

No kidding, as if we hadn't noticed. Guess they ignored the Frankens and Feingolds who fought against that. By staying home they left the present in the hands of the people they feared most.

They said there was no difference between the two parties. On one level they are correct, but I kept asking, would the Democratic candidate tear the social contract to shreds this way? Silence...

Keep on agitating to get out the vote. The GOP is disenfranchising voters across the country as we type here. It will take, as Palast said, a massive outpouring at the polls.

It's important to vote and be involved, but to do so for the BEST policies. Personally, I don't like pointing fingers at people who abstain before I take a good look at those doing the most damage. Cheers.

Half of them were still mad about Hillary.

have no intention of letting the Dems win.

Already voter suppression efforts are in full swing all over the country, because if they can get the Dem wins within a reasonable range, they can switch just enough votes to flip the count to the Republcians. They did it even in 2008, but the Dem surge was so gigantic that they couldn't do as much as they wanted. Close Dem wins were probably switched to Republicans, and wide Dem wins were narrowed so they looked like close Dem wins.

But if current voter suppression tactics work well enough, they might be able to block this tsunami of anti-Republican votes a lot more effectiely than the OP believes.

We have GOT to do something about hackable electronic voting and the lack of a clear paper trail!

Fickle Public.

Our country, and the world, is in a world of hurt and the repukes seem bent on destroying them. Frankly, we don't have the time to waste on do overs and trying to undo the damage of the prior administrations. We have serious problems like climate change and oil depletion that require urgent, major efforts to deal with. This three steps back and one forward is not getting us to the place we need to be.

The politicians, dem or repuke do not seem up to the job anymore, and the fickle, short memory public is not helping.

I think I am beyond frustrated. I think I have become resigned to the idea that it may be too late already.......

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And people are all for it in a fantasy world. Once they begin to see it in the real world, they don't like it. A relief for the Democrats.

However, how do we keep people from voting their fantasies again?

I am not quite as optimistic as you are about gaining back those seats - we don't know what the districts will look like - but the tide has definitely turned in our favor.

Will it stay in our favor in November 2012? I hope so! That's up to us to decide!

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