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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:36 PM
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EU to ban gas and diesel powered cars by 2050...
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/28/report-eu-working-to-ban-gas-and-diesel-powered-cars-by-2050/

According to new reports, the European Union will announce plans to ban all fossil fuel-powered cars in Europe by 2050. The detailed plan will be outlined in the European Union's Roadmap on Transport, which will come out on Monday. By 2030, the EU plans to have reduced fossil fuel traffic by half, particularly in urban areas.

The EU hopes to achieve its goal by ramping up focus on hybrid technology in the next couple decades to make a smooth transition to all-electric power by the middle of the century. A big part of the shift seems to be moving away from personal transportation and toward public conveyances wherever possible.

The EU says the overall goal for the project is to reduce traffic-related C02 emissions by 60 percent in 2050. A big part of the reduction will come from the effort to achieve zero-C02 transportation in major urban areas, where people travel by car 75 percent of the time.

For its part, Ford Motor Company has already come out with a response to the legislation, criticizing the EU's plan, and we wouldn't be surprised to see more statements from other automakers follow suit soon. You can read Ford's response in their official press release after the jump. Thanks for the tip, Marco!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:59 PM
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1. 2050 is just too damn soon
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 08:59 PM by LiberalFighter
:sarcasm:

I bet though that is what all fossil energy related companies will say.

But this should give them more encouragement in the right direction.
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:20 PM
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2. Actually, the Seven Sisters met in Geneva in 1972 and set 2050 as the target to
delay transitioning to a hydrogen economy. But for that, all our cars would be dribbling water today.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:12 PM
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9. I've never heard that,
and I consider myself pretty well read. Can you post or pm me a link? Thanks!
:hi:
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:05 AM
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10. sorry, that was way before the internets. I was researching hydrogen fuel at the time.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:21 PM
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3. This is a good move
I would like to see this happen in the US as well. You would think that by the year 2050, there shouldn't be any reason to still be using gas and diesel power cars.
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:33 PM
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4. This has long been predicted by the Peak Oil theory. The good thing is,
Peak Oil will take care of global warming (climate change for the anal). We've been on the peak plateau (also predicted) for six years.

They should move that up to 2020, not 2050.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:00 PM
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6. Peak oil won't take care of climate change
carbon release into the atmosphere takes some time to have its fullest effect and combustion of petroleum hydrocarbons is only one source of greenhouse gases--coal is the other major source; look at the percentage of electrical generation that's from coal-fired plants in the US. Or China.
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:09 PM
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8. Well, yea, you're right. There will be a period of time when the effects of climate change
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 11:09 PM by Thunderstruck
will be carried along by it's momentum before it begins to decline. For example, Peak Oil theory states that there should be a 40-year gap between the peak of oil discoveries, which happened in 1964, and the peak in global production. And, as predicted, here we are 40 years later bumping long the Peak Oil Plateau. So, without getting too sciency about it here, perhaps there will be such a gap before carbon peaks, depending on the nature of CO2 and on how much more we put in the atmosphere.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:36 PM
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5. Only 39 years to come up with alternative fuel?
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 10:37 PM by Quantess
NO WAY we'll be able to invent anything as good in that short period of time.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:03 PM
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7. They better start ramping up their electricity grids...
and building new power generating facilities. Changing that much energy from petroleum combustion to electric isn't going to be easy.

Sid
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 03:18 PM
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11. I suspect governments would prefer Hydrogen
Why? Because of tax.

In Europe certainly a huge amount of tax revenue comes from fuel taxes. A move to electric power would require road pricing (mileage tolls) as a way to replace that income and may be impractical for vast mileage of minor and back roads present in Europe. In addition electronic tracking systems based upon GPS, satellite and mobile phone systems are easy to jamb.

In the other hand hydrogen would come as a metered fuel, bound in hydrides, clathrates or other carrying media. It could be used in fuel cell vehicles and in internal combustion engines. The real difficulty is in finding good hydrogen sources.

Personally I think "Far offshore" wind and solar would play a part in the same way that distant gas and oil rigs are now serviced by ocean tankers rather than pipes. The efficiency of the H generation need not be high, cutting some of the capital cost

Just my 2 cents, feel free to destroy.
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