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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:17 PM
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US gunships blast Gaddafi's troops
US gunships blast Gaddafi's troops
Tue Mar 29, 2011 10



The US has used AC-130 gunships and A-10 Thunderbolt tankbusters against Moamar Gaddafi's troops in Libya, the Pentagon has confirmed.

Vice Admiral Bill Gortney confirmed the use of the ground attack aircraft this morning but denied the US was directly supporting rebel fighters.

The AC-130 gunship is a heavily modified Hercules transport plane armed with 20mm, 40mm and 105mm cannons. The A-10 is designed for close air support, especially against tanks and armoured vehicles, and carries a multi-barrelled 30mm cannon which can fire nearly 4,000 rounds a minute.

Unlike the long-range guided missile attacks that have targeted command centres and anti-aircraft defences, both aircraft are designed for close-range assaults against ground troops.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/29/3176341.htm?section=justin

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You wanted your 'no-fly' zone....now we escalate to the 'no-drive' zone portion of the war.

What? You thought it was over - it's just begun.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:24 PM
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1. recommend
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:27 PM
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2. Well, when you fight from the internet . . .
. . . you love the smell of cyber napalm in the morning.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:30 PM
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:43 PM
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4. Maybe someone will post the "specs" on that thing...
so we can revel like school children in it awesome power.

very much... :sarcasm:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:59 PM
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10. Repost of a warning by an anti-DU group should the A10 Thunderbolt
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 02:00 PM by EFerrari
be brought into use as it now has been:

Statement on the potential use of depleted uranium in Libya
At the time of writing there is no definitive evidence that depleted uranium munitions have been used in joint US, UK, French and Italian attacks on Libya. However there is potential for them to be used and ICBUW reminds belligerents of their obligations under IHL. The statement is available in English, Italian and French.
21 March 2011 - ICBUW

ICBUW is concerned that the current use of US Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier ground attack aircraft could lead to DU contamination should their cannon be deployed against ground targets. ICBUW is also concerned that the potential for contamination may increase significantly as the conflict develops if US Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt ground attack aircraft are deployed.

The majority of platforms that fire DU are land-based, although some air and sea-based platforms have also been developed. The only air-based platforms currently in service with the countries currently involved in the conflict are the US A-10 Thunderbolt and the AV-8B Harrier.

http://www.bandepleteduranium.org/en/a/396.html

IIRC, PressTV was excoriated here yesterday for suggesting that DU was being used by the US. Oops.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x757773
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:08 PM
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13. good god.
thanks for the links ferrari. utterly disgusting.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:15 PM
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14.  no definitive evidence, there is potential - That settles it then!
I remember that thread, it was rightfully excoriated and locked.

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:18 PM
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16. PressTV is uneven but they were right in this instance.
Both of the main platforms for DU are now in use.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:31 PM
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20. the A-10's nose cannon can shoot DU rounds.
I certainly hope that they're not being used in Libya. I assume that the cannons can use other munitions.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:32 PM
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22. I don't know. I'm an English teacher.
But to be truthful, I have zero confidence that our military will not use DU.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:29 PM
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18. It's a C-130 transport fitted out with artillery.
And I applaud its use.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 05:31 PM
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35. Back in the day we used to call it Puff the Magic Dragon
Or maybe it was Spooky, but I think that was the C-43 and the 130 was Puff. It certainly is not a new invention.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 04:27 PM
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32. I don't have the specs
But I read somewhere that it can cover every square inch on a football field in like .3 seconds or something crazy like that. It's a flying Gatling gun on steroids.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:53 PM
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5. "denied the US was directly supporting rebel fighters"
My god this is absurd already. Either declare war against Libya or stop this shit.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 04:59 PM
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34. "I declare regime change war against Libya."
They should make me Secretary of State - I can do this jarb.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:54 PM
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6. God, it is hard to imagine what 4,000 30mm shells per minute would do to human flesh when sprayed
upon massed troops: the slaughter inflicted would surely be in horrifyingly unimaginable proportions. :patriot:
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:16 PM
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15. it will crudely demonstrate that we are 75% water
our strength is in our function, not our construction
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:31 PM
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19. The AC 130's call it ..."Bring the rain"


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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:54 PM
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7. At least it's not a drone.
n/t.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:57 PM
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8. Not all humans require humanitarian treatment
:puke:
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:55 PM
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25. What?!? I can't believe you just said that. And just who is to judge which
human gets treated humanely and which gets treated like a bad dog? Good fucking grief.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:59 PM
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9. but but but - "We're not in direct support of the opposition"
US gunships mark change of tactic in Libya air strikes

The US has been giving the impression that it has backed away from the bombing campaign in Libya. It has now emerged that while the initial intensity of the high-altitude air strikes and cruise missile attacks has diminished, the US has not let up. In a dramatic and significant escalation of the assault on Gaddafi's forces, the US has deployed low-flying, heavily-armed aircraft against Libyan armour.

It is a deployment far removed from the initial concept of a "no-fly" zone.

The aircraft are better suited than high-flying fighter bombers to attack targets in built-up areas without so much risk of civilian casualties, defence officials say. However, their sheer firepower can lead to civilian deaths as their attacks on the Iraqi city of Falluja after the 2003 invasion of Iraq demonstrated.

The use of the close air support aircraft has fuelled claims that the US is actively co-ordinating tactics with the rebels. Aware of the controversy any such admission could unleash, Gortney, director of the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the US actions were in support of the UN-backed resolutions to protect Libyan civilians. "We're not in direct support of the opposition, that's not part of our mandate, and we're not co-ordinating with the opposition," he added. He described the US strategy as one of continuing "to pressure them where we think it's going to give us the best effect".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/gunships-mark-change-tactic-libya
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:01 PM
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11. a no fly zone during battle is called air supremacy
it is of great importance to achieve air superiority in battle
air supremacy nearly promises victory
we have entered another war
though it is for the benefit of commerce across the mediterranean,
i think the west would like an excuse to smash qaddafi just for his past misbehavior
neolibs are smarter than neocons and they work well with allies
we are seeing the empire run more efficiently these last two years
relax and enjoy the petroleum products
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:05 PM
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12. Is this the "Smoke 'em out!" part? When do we get to "Mission Accomplished"?
Do we have to wait for them to destroy the Ho Chi Minh trail?
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 06:43 PM
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37. First we're going with the 'Vietnamization' of the rebels, we'll arm them
Then see what happens.

could take awhile
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:28 PM
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17. Good. Smash Ghaddafi's thugs.
For them, Libya needs to be a 'no go zone.'
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:32 PM
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21. We bring you peace.
Eternal.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:34 PM
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23.  You then believe this conflict will take a long time?
"What? You thought it was over - it's just begun."

You then believe this conflict will take a long time? How long, and upon what is the answer predicated on?
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:53 PM
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24. Odyssey ...
1: a long wandering or voyage usually marked by many changes of fortune
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 03:37 PM
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28. 10 years it took to get back home to Ithaca. We have a lot of dawns in front of us n/t
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 07:04 PM
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38. Conjecuture...
Conjecture: An opinion with no basis on which it is predicated.

:shrug:
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 03:12 PM
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26. I know one thing - "Days not weeks" was pure naivete
Maybe we'll get lucky and Moe's head will end up on a stick, but if not, we'll be saying "Months not years".


NO MORE FUCKING WARS!!!

What is so fucking hard to understand about that? Haven't we learned anything?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 04:02 PM
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29. That was classic Donald Rumsfeld Warmongering.
Doing his share to hype the Invasion of Iraq, Donald Rumsfeld's response to the "How Long" question:
"*Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

That was in 2003,
and we are STILL in Iraq with a 50,000+ Occupying Force in 2011 with NO end in sight.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 03:13 PM
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27. But it's a very "limited" role.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 04:20 PM
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30. Woo-Hoo!!! Lets GET IT ON!
No wimpy "No Fly Zone" for US.
Frankly, I was embarrassed when they first cracked the NEW WAR egg with a No Fly Zone.
Those are strictly for Light Weights, and an insult to the mightiest Superpower on the planet.
Thank God that was only scam to get things really rolling.

NOW, we got"Spookies" with Gatling Guns and Cannons blasting Brown People into hamburger faster than you can count them!
Now THATS what I am Talking About!
Looks like all those brown people will LEARN to FEAR our Corporations The HARD WAY! LOL!


USA!...USA!...USA!
No war too small to spend out children's money on!
:patriot:
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 04:36 PM
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33. That's the spirit! ....to the shores of Tripoli!
WAR WAR WAR!



> signed

The warparty
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 08:32 PM
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41. !!!!!!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 04:20 PM
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31. The no-fly zone has become a no-drive zone
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 04:21 PM by Cali_Democrat
Not to worry, this is humanitarian cannon fire.
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Change Happens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 05:31 PM
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36. Awesome, I hope they keep it up right into the city center in Misrata
that town has taken a real beating...
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 08:21 PM
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40. The AC-130 and A-10 planes must attack anything on Qaddafi's side
that moves. And if Qaddafi sticks his head up, accidentally fire a few rounds at him.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 07:49 PM
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39. If there is no WAR, then this is SURELY WAR CRIME
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