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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:16 PM
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Real nuclear scientists are not sugar-coating the Fukushima meltdowns.
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Unfortunately I can only give you four paragraphs from two long pieces, one in the New York Times last week, so consider these a taste and follow the links:



From Afar, a Vivid Picture of Japan Crisis
By WILLIAM J. BROAD

Published: April 2, 2011

For the clearest picture of what is happening at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, talk to scientists thousands of miles away.

SNIP

For example, an analysis by a French energy company revealed far more about the condition of the plant’s reactors than the Japanese have ever described: water levels at the reactor cores dropping by as much as three-quarters, and temperatures in those cores soaring to nearly 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hot enough to burn and melt the zirconium casings that protect the fuel rods.

SNIP

“They don’t want to go there,” said Robert Alvarez, a nuclear expert who, from 1993 to 1999, was a policy adviser to the secretary of energy. “The spin is all about reassurance.” If events in Japan unfold as they did at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania, the forensic modeling could go on for some time. It took more than three years before engineers lowered a camera to visually inspect the damaged core of the Pennsylvania reactor, and another year to map the extent of the destruction. The core turned out to be about half melted.

SNIP

“Clearly, there’s no access to the core,” the official said. “The Japanese are honestly blind.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/science/03meltdown.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2







Dr. Janette Sherman who edited the translated 5,000 European studies said:

SNIP

"On the 20th Anniversary of Chernobyl WHO and the IAEA published the Chernobyl Forum Report, mentioning only 350 sources, mainly from the English literature while in reality there are more than 30,000 publications and up to 170,000 sources that address the consequences of Chernobyl."
(Sherman, 2011)

Just how does the United Nations IAEA manage to ignore half a million to a million dead Eurasians? It just so happens I've been going through some of the aforementioned excluded studies, and I found some interesting commentary pertaining to just that question.

"These findings indicate that the spectrum of developmental defects generated by incorporated radioactivity in humans may be much greater than derived by international radiation committees from the follow-up of Japanese A-bomb survivors. The findings are compatible with a particularly high radiosensitivity of the fetus... In contrast to this, the International Commission on Radiological Protection ICRP has postulated a threshold dose as high as 100 mSv in Publication 90 of 2003 for effects after prenatal exposure. They and other committees exclude radiation effects by Chernobyl fallout referring to the very low doses which were derived for the population."
(Wolfgang Hoffmann, Inge Schmitz-Feuerhake: Malformations, Perinatal Deaths and Childhood Morbidity after In Utero Exposure by Chernobyl Fallout. Observations in Europe and Turkey, Institut für Community Medicine, Ernst-Moritz-Arndt Universität, Greifswald and Universität Bremen, Fachbereich Physik und Elektrotechnik (i.R.), 2006)

http://counterpunch.org/giambrone04012011.html





Don't let anyone intimidate you with reassuring "expert" propaganda about the risks and the horrific harm already brought into the world by nuclear power. The majority of scientists are not on TV carefully limiting what they say or pretending that they're talking to four-year-olds who will panic and jump off a bridge if they hear the full range of risk possibilities.

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:18 PM
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1. Well, maybe sugar coating the reactor would work -- nothing else has.
At least there'd be a nice, caramel coating on the radiation that kills us. ;-)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:45 PM
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4. carmel that glows, and provides us with free health care.
what could be better???
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:19 PM
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2. Some people are simply confused by the message.
They don't understand the difference between the actual scientist on the ground and the governments that employ them (and make all the statements). Both groups have different agendas.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 08:10 PM
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14. Yes, this is exactly it.n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:34 AM
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17. I think many who understand that difference prefer the voice of commonly ascribed authority.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:24 PM
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3. Space for those wishing to cast this as a false dichotomy (nuclear vs. coal, no other alternatives!)
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 04:25 PM
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5. Space for deniers of any serious problems beyond Japan from the current reactor situation.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:28 PM
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6. Space for denialist claims that only 43 to 200 people died because of Chernobyl.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 01:19 PM
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7. Space for notice how the sophistry doesn't show up if they can't frame it from the start?
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 04:00 PM
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8. Fuck nuclear power!
And fuck all the newspapers around the world and their editorials that continue to assure readers that nuclear power is safe if we just learn the right lessons from this new disaster that has fucked up the world's oceans, air and soil.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 08:01 PM
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11. +!
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 04:55 PM
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9. I haven't read about or viewed any images or videos
Edited on Sat Apr-09-11 05:09 PM by Urban Prairie
of how TEPCO is successfully cooling the interiors of the #1 and #4 reactors, since their roofs are largely intact?

This is very troubling to me, because how is it possible for the crews to accurately aim their spray of sea/freshwater from "water-cannons" much less nozzled hoses so that much of not most of the water drops into the spent fuel pools of both reactors, since they are attached to and located in the upper half of the walls of both, according to the schematics the I have seen of the GE-built reactors?

Hopefully that huge retrofitted cement to water spraying Putzmeister pump contraption that is being flown from Atlanta to Japan and then transported to the stricken reactors at the Fukushima plant will perform much more effectively and successfully than what they have used so far, but almost a month has passed since the reactors were first damaged. It looks like they might be able to attach a camera to the top of it, due to its very long reach, and perhaps get a good view of the interiors of both reactors?

"The 190,000-pound pump designed by Wisconsin-based Putzmeister America Inc. comes mounted on a 26-wheel truck. Its extendable boom can reach more than 200 feet, and can be operated two miles away by remote control, making it possible to shoot water into hard-to-reach places at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant in Japan."

http://hosted2.ap.org/txdam/54828a5e8d9d48b7ba8b94ba38a9ef22/Article_2011-04-08-Japan%20Earthquake-Giant%20Pumps/id-ce73bd6994554468b7ff5158240248bf

That is very good news and makes me hopeful that these pumps will be very effective. The article doesn't mention how many of the biggest one (M70-5) are available or will be flown there.


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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 07:58 PM
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10. lookitthosecrazyGerman... trucks!!!
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 08:03 PM
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12. It was on the local news here because the m70-5 giant putz flew out of our airport on fri.
Or maybe it was thurs. But I think it was fri.

Giant putzmobile drove onto a russian cargo plane.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 08:12 PM
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15. Placed a lot of concrete with the help of Putzmeister concrete pumpers
In my wildest dreams I'd never have thought that they would be coming to our rescue concerning a nuke plant gone astray
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 08:07 PM
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13. smash em in the chicklets
till the snot bubbles come out

they need to not get away with the propaganda, it's too late in the day to be polite to fuckheads
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:33 AM
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16. How unrefined!
Yowch! Where are "the chicklets"?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:11 PM
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18. kick
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:54 AM
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19. & kick
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 11:18 PM
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20. Fukushima now officially declared on Chernobyl level (7) -- The obvious, after all that denial.
Really, they need to raise the scale. Multiple meltdowns, cracked containers, 30 years of accumulated fuel boiling off the water, millions of people ultimately will be evacuated, radiation levels will go up worldwide and radioactive material will end up in the most unexpected places, with unknown fatalities spread around the globe. An abandoned zone for many generations on the world's most heavily populated and industrialized island. Hard to begin conceiving the scale of this thing. This is an industrial holocaust, still underway.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 01:52 PM
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21. & this story now has a shorter news cycle than Donald Trump and Snooki.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 11:53 AM
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22. final kick for readers.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:34 PM
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23. oops
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:38 PM
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24. ^+1,000
:kick:
Dr. Michio Kaku, Theoretical Physicist: Fukishima Daiichi Nuclear Facility is a "Ticking Time Bomb"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x573181
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