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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:34 PM Original message |
So what does everyone think about the French banning the burqa? |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. Doesn't bother me. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Here's a better thread on the matter. |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. It is confusing---thanks for the link. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
182. It's France; whatever they believe works best for them |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think it's an invasion of a woman's privacy. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I think a person's beard is probably considered a facial feature. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I really have a problem when laws are passed about |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Your concern may be clothes, my concern is the push from a certain |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I'm concerned about that too as a hispanic myself. n/t |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It's getting crazy, Cleita. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I know and I wasn't born in this country although I |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The practice is gender specific. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. The law is gender neutral. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. That's a very convenient post-facto rationale for why legislation really intended |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. You're not respecting the French culture, with its anti-clericalism, |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I'm not respecting the racism and Islamophobia of modern France, no. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I'm just laughing at the irony of all the people who are intolerant |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I've lived in France; have you? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I've spent plenty of time there, since my in-laws are French. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
90. I've lived in France and agree that French culture's emphasis on |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Is there a hierarchy of freedoms involved here, though? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
133. The wearing of veils in the ME dates back to ancient Greece. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
85. A gender-neutral law that prohibits covering the face in public to the point it is |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I don't agree. Back three or four hundred years ago |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Where was it common for people to wear masks in public?! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. In was common in Europe before the eighteenth century. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #106 |
125. I did try to google it. Before I even posted asking for your links. I found nothing. nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. Are you sure you did that? Because I |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Just a quick browse through the first page indicates these are all special occasions |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. I give up. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Read them yourself. They are all "special occasion" links for mask wearing, not daily usage. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:10 AM Response to Reply #138 |
171. Does it matter to you that Muslim men in France are far more likely to support the law |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. It's common here, too, among bank robbers. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. I'm not a bank robber but there are times I would like |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. This law doesn't prevent anyone from covering their hair. So we're safe! |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
174. in fact |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
115. My bank even forbids hats:) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #115 |
134. That's for safety. Businesses actually are allowed to |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
73. Agreed. |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. Makes me glad I don't live in France. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. For as long as we can. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'll put it this way. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I can see how some people will consider this a non-issue. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Uhm, on what authority do you know that slaves |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. It's a metaphore. |
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DeadEyeDyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
126. Stockholm syndrome? |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. Marine is overtaking Nicky on the far right lane, so he's hitting back. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Thanks for the information. Appreciate it. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. People have a right to eat whatever they want! n/t |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
15. The burqa is not religiously mandated dress - it is purely cultural. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Of course as a man you are fine with forcing women |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. You really think that a woman cannot dress modestly without hiding |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. What if a woman sincerely wants to wear a burka? If that is her choice? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. What if a man wants to walk naked through the street? And it's his choice? |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Two wrongs don't make a right. nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Then she can move to a country wher enslavement of women is |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. That does it, I'm re-upping my membership in the ACLU tomorrow. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. So why are you arguing with me? I agree with you and |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. My humblest apologies, Cleita. I clearly totally misunderstood your post. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. The Islamic law is for women |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
51. It's more like, what if the law said we can't wear ties. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
80. You don't seem to know what a burqa is.Upthread you called it a veil. It is not a veil. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. There are all kinds of words for the full veil, burqa, shador and |
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JustAnotherGen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. It's their country |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Thanks for the perspective check. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. It's also the country of many of those women who are |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. They can wear anything they want at home. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Why are you taking this law out of context? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Because the law was carefully written to apply in every context, |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Intellectually disengenuous, and you know it. The rhetoric surrounding this legislation |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. That doesn't matter. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Nonsense. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. So you would be comfortable with being required to go |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. No. That would be an excellent reason not to move to the Amazon. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
70. If they are born there they are 2nd generation. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. Really? And how much of a cultural norm do you |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. We already do legislate clothing. For men and women but mostly women. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Exactly. We have laws requiring a certain minimum of clothing. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. I always thought men should cover their chests in public just |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #104 |
113. I agree. They have breasts, too. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Yes, at the beach or pool, but frankly I don't want to |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Me, neither! n/t |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #86 |
175. i moved to texas for 2 years |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. The law did become effective today; that is what the fuss is about - Nicky's hardliner show |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
24. Is this banned too: |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
27. I think people here are okay with women prostituting their bodies, but not covering them modestly. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
68. The burqa isn't "modest." The burqa is suffocating. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. But prostitution is okay? |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
107. Wouldn't be any if men weren't buying. Muslims need to start teaching |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
77. I'm not okay with prostitution either. I also believe it's degrading for women. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. You are being consistent, yes. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
28. This is like drugs, guns and prostitution... |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. "thing we're making (or trying to make) a crime is victimless" |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. yes. that's the distinction I was trying to make. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
152. The "force" is by far the greater crime. |
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Kceres (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
65. Good one. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
34. They didn't ban the burqa. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. The context which you fail to account for is that the law is really targeting muslims. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Muslim women may be the main group now with this practice. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Just as The Federalist Papers are a reference point for US laws and the legal system, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. The French have a long history of anti-clericalism and their Constitution |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Context, honey; there's a context here. You can ignore it, but we know |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. The context is that France has a long history of anti-clericalism |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
88. What about the reverse situation? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. But it's okay when Muslim countries require women to heavily cover themselves |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. No, it's okay when they do it because, see, we let them. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Freedom of speech transcends national borders, does it not? If the Chinese don't respect |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Societies have always regulated clothing. In the US even Daughters of the |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #110 |
137. Women in New York can go topless as long as |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. "Associated with commerce" is the key clause |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. No, you are wrong. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. I looked up the law. I've read it myself because you brought it to my attention. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #137 |
159. Doesn't disprove my argument. New Yorkers have decided that toplessness |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #159 |
172. No, of course when you are wrong, you are actually right. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #100 |
114. But most of these women -- not all, but most -- are being |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
40. google "Catherine Pederzoli" |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
41. I think its great that the French Police will be able to identify everyone now |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. And so will everyone else. How sad for women wearing those things |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
128. Which makes me wonder: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #128 |
150. The police are already complaining about how difficult this will be to enforce. n/t |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
42. Communities have a right to make community standards.... |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
56. I think if a Muslim women is following |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
79. Burkas are not religious either. They are cultural. |
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TheCanadianLiberal (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
74. I have no issue with it. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Well if you're Canadian, you also likely support prostitution, is that correct? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Why would you think that? About 70% of Canadians do NOT want prostitution legalized. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I'm curious if CanadianLiberal supports it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
151. Why would you say that? What an odd supposition. n/t |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
155. You really have a fixation on prostitution - |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
76. Damn Fashion Police. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
99. This has nothing to do with fashion, and everything to do with |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
78. What will Sarkozy use now to conceal his ugliness? |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. IMO it is an issue for the French and no one else. |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
93. I don't like it |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
97. Burqa or just the Niqab? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. And the indistinguishable women can't tell each other apart either. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
120. as it should be. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
103. I think it's interesting that DUers spend so much time condemning |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
124. +1 I was thinking the same thing. nt |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
108. What precisely will it accomplish...? |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Nuns don't wear face masks. What is so difficult to understand that this is |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #109 |
178. Then you believe culture should absolutely dictate our dress and fashion? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #108 |
144. It's an affront and insult to women in a secular society. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #144 |
179. Then you believe the law is a good one because it denies fashions you don't like? |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. If that's what you see when you read my post, I feel sorry for your lack of |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
111. I don't think it's any of the government's business |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #111 |
146. I do. It's a good law. It's an affront to women generally in a free society... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #111 |
154. This is France, not the U.S. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:12 AM Response to Reply #154 |
165. Well, that I can understand, I guess. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:39 AM Response to Reply #165 |
168. I remember there was some to-do about Christian symbols |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #111 |
158. The burqa has nothing to do with religion. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
116. I think there's something the French realize, that most people here |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. +1 |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
119. I heard there are only 2,000 burqa-wearing women in France |
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logosoco (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
121. I guess it is a good thing they don't have a ban like this in Japan. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. I wonder how France would react to that. OTOH, those little masks |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Surgical masks are a legal exception in the French law. nt |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
122. It's good. Burqas are a symbol of female imprisonment. nt |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
129. No problem. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
130. Burka okay as a deviant act done by few |
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Terra Alta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
135. I think it's a good idea. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
141. I think it's a good idea. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
142. An overreaching govt, oppressing a minority & invading their individual privacy. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #142 |
149. If they can require people to wear a certain minimum of clothing, |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #149 |
156. How does the display of a particular body part enhance communication? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. Is that a serious question? |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
145. Honestly... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #145 |
164. It would be easier for me to support if I didn't believe |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #164 |
181. Excellent Point.... |
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MacNfries (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
148. The French banned the burga? You gotta be kidding ... |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
153. Stupeed! |
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franzia99 (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
157. As someone who believes strongly in peoples' right to free expression I have to say I don't agree |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:27 AM Response to Reply #157 |
163. They didn't specifically ban the burqa. They banned any garment |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
161. What do the French think of our death penalty? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
162. I'm with France on this one. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
166. conflicted, don't have enough info. inclined to trust the french (vs. the us media) on this. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
167. If women are forced to wear burkas, then France is punishing the victim. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:46 AM Response to Reply #167 |
169. She would owe a fine. Anyone who forced her could go to jail. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #169 |
176. Why should she have to pay a fine? She is not hurting anyone. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Because the French have decided to discourage the practice. , |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
170. A plurality of Muslim women surveyed in France supported the new law. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
173. I have a problem with it |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
183. I don't think it's too much to ask. |
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