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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:21 PM
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Waukesha County clerk Kathy Nickolaus's error
It obviously needs to be investigated.

And based on previous errors she has made it seems
it is possible that this final count is in error too.

But is there any proof that it is?

It seems there are two possibilities, she did it on purpose
or it was indeed an accident.


If it can be determined that it was an accident and the numbers are
right she should quit because she is incompetent.

If she did it on purpose that leaves two more choices.
She invented the numbers to steal the election or
the numbers are real and she did it for some nefarious reason.

But what would that reason be?
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:25 PM
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1. to create a spectacle
so as to hide nefariousness elsewhere...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:33 PM
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2. I see three possibilities:
Either there was a deep and carefully planned vote substitution operation, involving not just machine jiggering, but actual falsification of paper records including ballots and sign-in lists; OR this is a diversion from some other evildoing re: votes; OR it was all an honest mistake.

I'm putting my bet on #1 above.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:41 PM
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4. Evidence supports this idea very well.


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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:58 PM
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6. L. Coyote, Sorry. I don't understand your charts and graphs.
Please explain. I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I just can't figure out what they really mean.

I think there is a problem in Milwaukee County. Am I wrong?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 02:03 PM
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7. I believe the implication is that most of the state has been trending away from
voting Republican since last fall, presumably because of what's been happening in Fitzwalkerstan, but there are some counties which are trending sharply in the opposite direction. Since they buck what appears to be a strong trend, they would be obvious candidates for closer scrutiny.

L.Coyote can now come along and tell me I'm Emily Litella. :-)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 03:57 PM
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9. Quite right!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:14 AM
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12. OK. That is what I suspected.
It is very strange to me that Milwaukee, an urban county, would have an increase in Republican votes in this year in which working people are really sick of the squeeze -- especially in Wisconsin.

This makes no sense. And I suspected that the Waukesha questions are a red herring, that the really trickery if any there was, was in Milwaukee -- which is probably a huge Democratic area.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 04:06 PM
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10. Here is some explanatory info:
Note the trend line in the graph plotting the percentage of shift from Fall 1010 to Spring 2011.
Almost all counties form a perfectly normal distribution line, excepting large Milwaukie County
(and a one precinct county to small to be a statistically significant sample).

This is known as a statistical outlier, too far from the normal curve to easily explain.
Something is very different in Milwaukee County, because the red shifted over 5 percent.
Milkwaukee County is a very large segment of the state population, so this is exceptional.

The map is just that, mapping the same data by counties, showing the statewide trend.
Milwaukee County is in the greater than -5% group. Note the lake shore to rural trend.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:12 AM
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11. In what direction is it an outlier?
Did more people vote? Did more people vote Democratic? This is what I don't understand. Sorry. It is probably obvious to you and some of the other smart people around here. I realize that the -5% is a significant number, but I don't understand what it means to voter turnout or to votes cast or to the outcome of the election.

Thanks for answering my post. I would really like to understand this.

My instincts tell me that the fuss over Waukesha is to cover up real problems elsewhere. And Milwaukee seems like the most likely place where there is a problem.

I have worked on issues about voter registration delays that could have affected elections. I just am not able to understand what "outlier" means in the context of this election.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:56 PM
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5. nebenaube, I think they are trying to hide something that is wrong
someplace else. I would look at the votes in Milwaukee (and other urban areas). Votes may be missing or may have been miscounted.

This is a typical Republican magic trick --- distract the public so they don't see what is really going on.
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 03:39 PM
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8. Would they have the opportunity
in Milwaukee?
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 01:36 PM
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3. Two words, Calculated Errors nt
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:41 AM
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13. It has already been found that the numbers Brookield transmitted on election night are correct.
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 12:41 AM by Tx4obama

There is a lot of info here on DU regarding this issue, here's some of it...

Canvassing day
The numbers that have been added to the county total are the 'correct' totals that the city of Brookfield transmitted to the county on election night. Those numbers have stayed the same and have not changed.

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April 12, 2011

UPDATE: 4:58 PM: Kennedy: Waukesha County investigation ongoing, but numbers appear to match up

GAB Director Kevin Kennedy says the agency's investigation of spring election procedures in Waukesha County remains ongoing, but that the final canvass numbers in the city of Brookfield match the initial tallies from poll workers on Election Night.

"We don't see, at this point, any criminal activity, but we certainly see practices that need to be changed to bolster public confidence," Kennedy said.

GAB staff is now the process of matching those numbers for all Waukesha County wards after Brookfield ballots were mistakenly left out of Election Night returns from the county clerk. The numbers tentatively turned a razor-thin lead for Supreme Court candidate JoAnne Kloppenburg into a margin of more than 7,000 votes in favor of incumbent Justice David Prosser.

Kennedy also said GAB staff is reviewing Election Night practices in the county, saying he hopes to give the public and the press greater access to the county's results and break them down by voting precinct so that the 24 voting wards in Brookfield wouldn't be overlooked in future elections.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x867315#868764

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Updated HuffPo article regarding Brookfield numbers and also the 2011 Waukesha turnout
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=871490&mesg_id=871716



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