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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:35 PM Original message |
Why aren't we talking about the real issue re Obama/Vick: giving former convicts a second chance? |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. I work with two ex cons |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. That's right. People who don't tolerate animal cruelty are racist. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
43. it's not what they do or don't tolerate, its how they look at perpetrators |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Bullshit. eom. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. yeah. That's about what I expect when there's no answer. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
73. mmhmm. |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. +1 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. Some of us have tried |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. Certainly! What did you have in mind? |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Oh stop with the poutrage, and faux outrage, and racism, and everything else. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. It was a private phone call, placed to talk about the GREEN ENERGY installation in the stadium |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I know why Obama originally made the call. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Exactly. He should have known that it would inflame lots of people and been blown out of proportion |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:55 PM Original message |
So you'd be ok if he got a job as a janitor? |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. Hmmm. Never once was his NFL salary mentioned in that post, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. What is wrong with his choice of career? |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Oh I comprehended the OP alright. But thanks for the condescension. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The OP was clear |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Since you're having problems with comprehension, let me remind you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. And you think a call to Paduka KY would STILL BE |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
76. Jesus give me a break. No one here is saying he shouldn't have a job. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
28. If an animal needs to be "put down," a single shot to the head is more humane... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. Let's call it for what it is |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
75. I would be okay with any job he got, OUTSIDE of the NFL. |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
38. He was tried, convicted and served his time according to |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. "...according to our system of justice." |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. Agreed. Do away with the sex offender registries as well. Second chances all around! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Response #2 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. Felons cannot have guns, likewise, this guy cannot have a dog. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. How tragic. |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. Were his dog fights in the NFL? No, he deserves a 2nd chance |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Actually, he opened his kennel with his signing bonus. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm all for second chances for convicts. Helping them attain juicy, multimillion endorsement deals-- |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. Because Obama chose to highlight the issue via a sociopathic sadist who will be a multimillionaire.. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Good perspective. Vick is the exceptional exception in the issue. Plus, I doubt your relative |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. . |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I'm pretty disturbed about the torture Vick inflicted on animals. |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. That's just fine Bluebear. You are very much entitled to feel however you like |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. Animal Fighting Case Study: Michael Vick: |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Jesus. Christ. I think there's a 12 step program for this. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I think someone in the administration chose Vick because he is a football success. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I'm actually glad that Vick has "honest" work. I'd wish that for any ex-con who |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
67. There is redemption... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
78. redemption and being let back into the NFL are two different issues. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. Thanks for posting. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
20. Child / dog molesters shouldn't be given another chance... |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
22. No. According to Rupert Roo News, they should be executed. Are |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
29. HE DID HIS TIME |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. BUT THAT IS THE POINT |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. In our current media environment, you kid me right? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Great post, dembotoz. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Exactly. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. +1000 |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
79. Are you going to smugly sit there and tell me that poor Michael Vick, |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
69. Bravo! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. Let's do, indeed. Just as long as they aren't seeking Nike deals, m'kay? I've supervised community |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
35. Hahahahahahahahah ahahahahhahahahahaha |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
41. Some of us have been. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Exactly. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Is Vick "in hot pursuit of juicy endorsement deals"? And if he gets one, is it HIS fault? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You're the one who mentioned Vick--why did you think that's who I referred to? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Please re-read the OP. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. "I am dumbfounded by the vicousness here" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Thank you... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #48 |
80. Oh yes it was about Vick. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
45. Redemption happens and needs to be allowed for |
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Aleric (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
47. The moment you bring Obama into it it stops being about Vick |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Do you know the reason Obama made the call to the eagles? n/t |
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Aleric (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Yes, but according to Lurie, Vick was topic #1 |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Yes, to complement them on building a green stadium. Had he stopped there, |
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Aleric (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Except that he LED the conversation with Vick, it wasn't the second topic. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. That's what I understand--just trying to deflect some of the |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. unless i'm wrong tho he condemned what Vick had done but commended the fellow on hireing an ex-con |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. How many NON-millionaires do you know that put GREEN ENERGY in a stadium? |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Hey! |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
58. It seems we are very selective on the criminals we care about giving a second chance at life |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:00 AM Response to Reply #58 |
77. There is a difference between "no job prospects" and ... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
62. recommend |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
66. Absolutely... |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
74. redemption yes, but, not allowed back into the NFL. |
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