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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:37 AM Original message |
Why is nobody stating the obvious when it comes to sleeping air traffic controllers? |
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madmax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Bingo! nt |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. what I want to know is |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Why don't you do some research? |
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8 track mind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Atc is not an easy job whatsoever |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. The whole idea of them being under-staffed stems from Reagan's move... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
102. ATC has not been attracting the same quality of worker over the |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. because reagan is moments away from sainthood |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. ray-gun: the patron saint of the willfully ignorant. nt |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I like that.. |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
57. what you said! n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
95. Perfectly accurate. |
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cpamomfromtexas (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. You are correct, but they are paid more than most of the pilots FLYING the planes |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I think a pilot's strike would be a good thing |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
47. Maybe this is a strike in disguise? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Really helps to pit pilots against air controllers like that. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
46. That Guy Sully Who Landed The Plane In NY Actually Said On Bill Maher |
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right2bfree (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Unions are down to 7% of working people, compared to 35% in the 50-60's. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Highest unionization we ever reached in US was 39% -- !! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
103. Yes. All working people should just form a union, and work |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Michael Moore has talked about this -- some pilots get food stamps!! $20,000 a year!! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
97. I wondered the same thing. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Pilot's pay has been dramatically decreased as well. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. That is because pilots are "underpaid", |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. Most of their benefits have been cut -- and pensions gone? |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
87. And Sullenberger said |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. This is really why capitalism destroys itself -- and can't exist without regulation .... |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. What is sad and illogical |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 05:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
104. And yet, pilots are responsible for our lives -- as are the airline mechanics |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Yes, not exactly a group of people |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. However, all of the pilots and all of the controllers TOGETHER still make LESS than the CEO's !!!! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
96. They are hardly over paid......nt |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. Big $$$ media has its own unions to worry about. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. Excuse me? Been saying it all week. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. 'Scuse me, |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Hope your mom feels better quickly. n/t |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. very obvious |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
11. I brought it up on March 11th, though not quite |
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MatthewStLouis (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
12. Did you hear the NPR story on this the other day? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
37. I did listen to that. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
51. Diane Rehm's show had a guest who explicitly talked about Reagan's union busting |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. YES!! I did hear that. Could not remember which show it was on... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
68. And did NPR make any suggestions about what has to happen -- and why this is happening? |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
73. This morning NPR pointed out this face: In nightshift jobs, people used to be able to sleep. |
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AC_Mem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
86. My son is an ATC |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
13. K&R. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
14. It is getting some coverage. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
16. Completely agree |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
17. Nonsense. Sleeping controllers are caused by controllers who fall asleep. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Are you being serious or sarcastic? |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
54. where the workload isn't as stressful and the pay is higher. |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
75. They've been falling asleep for 3 decades, too -- as the cuts have increased |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
98. They fell asleep because they work |
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TalkingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
21. I did say it last night at dinner. In a small town red state diner. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
23. Yup - my wife and I were having the same discussion a few days ago. |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Agreed |
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rivercat (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
25. I heard that they were increasing the number of hours between shifts |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I wondered that myself. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
66. Also trucking industry has similar problems -- no rest -- and driving ... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #66 |
99. Exactly. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
27. I mentioned this to relatives during the past weekend. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
28. Ding! I implied it but all the way over in the Books:Fiction forum. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
29. Oh, and since Republicans originally smashed it to pieces...beware of Privatization. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. "30 years ago? Who cares about 30 years ago?" |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
100. LOL! |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. A project of.. |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
33. Another obvious fact is just hire more controllers for backup. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. make it a priority job class.. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
111. I'd also suggest at least two people on duty at all times... |
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State the Obvious (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. is this obvious enough? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. Well, the trickle-down media aren't gonna diss Reagan. nt |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
38. Just a few observations... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. NATCA is not a strong union at all. It's the company union that replaced PATCO. |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Well, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. yeah, so "strong" bush imposed unilateral work rules on them in 2005-6. |
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nytemare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
40. Air traffic controllers, pilots, and flight staff all make ridiculously low salraries |
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BOHICA12 (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. ATCs - Not really |
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nytemare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Ok, I was thinking back to the hero pilot who was on Bill Maher |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
41. Yep... And From 1982: 'Air Waves' - TimeMagazine |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. And, amazing that the original strike was about protecting the public!!!! |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Outstanding Point !!! |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
43. At this point, the best and the brightest have dropped out of American society |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Dropping out, on a permanent basis, is not an option for the best and brightest |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
110. excellent insights... |
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prete_nero (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
49. Be real... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:27 PM Original message |
+1000 |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
50. St. Reagan was the worst thing that's ever happened to this country. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. ... and certainly it was another stolen election -- "October Surprise" .... |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I still want to know how all but five states did not vote for Reagan. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Deleted message |
Corruption Winz (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
53. I can't believe it.... |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
55. toured the Seattle tower once |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
56. Absolutely, 100% correct..and I did hear this statement yesterday on one of the WNYC talk shows. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
59. Aren't we now subsidizing private airports for those who fly private planes? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
61. agreed. asking people to do more for less does not make us safer or them more likely to do |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
65. Pilots should also be well paid. |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
69. Yes. This is about union busting scabs. |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. There aren't many strong unions left |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #76 |
107. Wouldn't that be a statement. Pilots parking the planes and |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
71. .. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
74. Studies of shift work show |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. And they should know that. |
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Lifelong Protester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
78. I worked in an air traffic control center while in college, and I KNOW |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
80. In other words, your tax cuts at work n/t |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
82. In America, its called "productivity" and Wall Street thrives on worker |
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orbitalman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
83. Amen ! |
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HillbillyBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
91. I was navy atc, just starting the process of joining |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
92. Exactly. |
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PatrynXX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
93. actually I thought that the first moment I heard about it |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'm stating it. |
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wial (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
101. it's doubly ironic |
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catrose (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
105. My first thought--thanks for saying it |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
109. Cost cutting measures are to blame |
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