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fried eggs (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:03 AM Original message |
Was it a good thing when Valerie Plame was outed? |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. Fuck no. |
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fried eggs (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. That's my opinion as well... and that's also why I support Manning |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I'm not following your reasoning. |
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fried eggs (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. It appears that people are praising Manning for doing the same thing |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. "The same thing" eh? Lets take a looksie |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. good points |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
58. Small historical point but Joe Wilson's op-ed piece in the 'NYTimes' did |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. To be honest |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I do remember the incident but fail to see what role Plame's |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:03 PM Original message |
More info on the "Bent Spear" incident at Minot/Barksdale |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
81. OK, now I'm intrigued a bit. If I follow your line of thinking, you're |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. That was my line of thinking |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Especially because, IIRC, Brewster-Jennings was especially |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. There aren't enough "facts" |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Totally agree with you about lack of 'facts'. I would love to know |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
60. Did Manning release the information? I keep being told on DU, |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Lets review what I posted: |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
98. yeah see? just the same. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
109. If he would have stopped with releasing the war crime proof, no problem |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
38. When those who outed Plame are arrested for breaking the law, |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Lewis Libby was convicted and sentenced. The fall guy. dc |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Thanks for the correction n/t |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. Didn't serve a day in jail, though |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. By Bush? I'm shoc .... nevermind n/t |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
102. Commuted. Yes, but not pardoned. He still has a felony or more |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. And further, I do not believe that commutes the fine. He still had |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. And then was pardoned |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. He was not... |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Excuse me |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. People charged with capital offenses... |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Outing Valerie Plame |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Because no one was charged... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Libby was charged and convicted. How much time did he |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Convicted for??? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. He was convicted of preventing the prosecutor |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. He was not pardoned... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. How much time did he spend in jail after being convicted |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
59. Manning did NOT do the same thing. He revealed war crimes |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
57. Plame was not committing any crimes. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. She was in service to the US! |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Manning hasn't even been tried yet, altho that inconvenient fact hasn't stopped |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. I'm sure you gave Scooter Libby and other Bush admin officials the same benefit of the doubt. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
120. I don't see them as particularly similar n/t |
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FarPoint (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. The question in its self is flamebait. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. Agreed. n/t |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. Interesting question. The way she was outed was bad. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
3. No. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. LOL |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. Absolutely not. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. If you haven't seen "Fair Game," you should. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. The Easter bunny looks...different somehow. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
9. Absolutely NOT. iIn reality it was criminal, but enough levers |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
10. if you're comparing the Plame thing with the Bradley Manning case, |
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fried eggs (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Couldn't he have gone to a congressman or senator? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. There was no "dump". Wikileaks worked hard with |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
36. the "dump" being referred to is giving all the stolen info to Wikileaks |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. There was no document dump. n/t |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I believe you may be having a reading comprehension problem |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
74. No, my reading is just fine. |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
110. so release of Pentagon Papers was "espionage?" nt |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
77. How are you sure? |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #10 |
42. as well as a ton of other information that had NOTHING to do with war crimes or illegal activities |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
13. are you crazy? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
14. like looking thru a window |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
17. A lot of people died because of it. |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Who Died Because of Manning's Whistleblowing?????? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
68. I thought we were talking about Valerie Plame being |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
22. It didn't result in impeachment, or trial by jury for treason of Bush and Cheney. |
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Prof Lester (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Outing Plame DID result in many deaths! |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Well, the danger to the US from the leak was obviously clear, present, and imminant.. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
23. No. The outing of Valerie Plame was not good. |
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kas125 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
25. Sickening, just sickening. There is no comparison between |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #25 |
43. what of the release of all the classified non-warcrimes information? nt |
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kas125 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. All the secrets that shouldn't have been kept from us in |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. and why exactly should none of the information have been kept classified? |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
26. Plame tracked WMD's. Do you seriesly need to ask this question? UnR. n/t |
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Loudmxr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
27. No. She was outed but so was Brewster Jennings. That is the most egregious sin. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:08 AM Response to Original message |
30. Unrecced for implied false equivalency. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. +1. nt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
31. Actually, I think outing the administration's lies to war should have occurred. |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
32. Valerie Plame and Brewster Jennings were tracking WMD |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
33. In retrospect. it accomplished nothing much |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. What about Brewster Jennings and all their assets and contacts? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
35. No, because it wasn't Bradely Manning who did it |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
39. FAIL! |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
49. Wasn't Plame outed by those opposed to military action? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. um - no. nt |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. No, she wasn't . She was outed by warmongers |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
99. He's referring to Judith Miller--that speaks volumes, doncha think? nt |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Ridiculous. Do you have a legitimate press link for that? nt |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Probably not, it was just a recollection, but I think this was it from Dec. 2010 |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Judith Miller? do try to catch up, you're holding the class back. nt |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
113. OK so I'm wrong. Next time I'll Google before drawing from memory... :) |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. BTW, dead link. nt |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
55. Was she committing any crimes? |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
61. No. Thank you for playing |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
63. Well, nobody has been prosecuted for it. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
111. False. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
64. People died |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
70. Two different situations |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
73. It comforts me to think of Karl Rove stripped naked in solitary confinement for what he did. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
76. Cheney =/= Manning. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
88. It was as good as ...the deaths of those Iraqi scientists who expected to escape to the US. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
96. False analogy |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
97. It was a despicable... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
104. Ooh! I got my message deleted. |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
105. No. It damn near ruined her life. dc |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
107. Agenda much? |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. But it's such a cute little newbie egg. ;) nt |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
108. sigh... You gotta ASK |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
115. No, because she was undercover |
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crazyjoe (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
116. Armitage outed valerie plame. he admitted it. |
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Supply Side Jesus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
118. . |
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fried eggs (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
119. Didn't expect such a huge response |
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