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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:36 PM Original message |
Poll question: Did America "win the war" for the allies in WW2? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. I voted "Other" because I have no idea, but I felt like voting anyway. nt |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. My own view is that America greatly shortened the length of the war, but ultimately |
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mrmpa (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. You have to take into account that the Soviet Union was largely |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. not really |
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rampart (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. i voted other |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. I think it just suggests |
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rampart (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. that is what allies are for |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. The Soviet Union made the greatest contribution to ending the war |
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Populist_Prole (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Before June '44 we fought Nazis in N. Africa & Italy. |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. True, but Stalin and the Soviets pushed for a western front |
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justabob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. that is one the great what if's of history nt |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. if Hitler hadn't invaded the USSR, he wouldn't have been Hitler |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:00 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. we invaded Italy 1943 |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Confusious |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I think some of your points could be argued |
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Diclotican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Confusious |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. But Italy was never going to be the route to Germany |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. and yet |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
91. In my view, the most important thing those campaigns achieved |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. In terms of manpower expended, literally- |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yep, original point I was trying to make (and not very well) |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. nevertheless that second front was crucial |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. The Soviets fought back and forth with the Nazis for years. |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
53. they couldn't hold back such a force because |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Not really |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Very True, Sir: Everyone Here Knows 'Overlord', But Who Knows 'Bagration'? |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
88. North Africa was the see-saw. |
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Volaris (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
45. I won't disagree with your assessment of history, but I would like to ask a question... |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
99. I tend to believe that there are many factors at work, but the USSR's contribution |
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Brother Buzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. It over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Was it? |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Leave him alone, he's rolling |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
60. Pearl Harbor was attacked with torpedo planes, not bombers dumbass |
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Brother Buzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Talk about dumbass |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. See if you can guess what I am now. |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. A zit? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. "Animal House" movie quote understand FAIL... |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. taterguy post understand FAIL |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. i never understood that line on DU either until i finally saw Animal House... |
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justabob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
14. militarily, yes. I believe they did |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
16. It's an intriguing question |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Agreed |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
17. remove any of the "Big Three" and Hitler might have won |
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houstonintc (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
18. US Industrial power won the war. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:56 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. The Third Reich was one of the great industrial powers of the 20th century. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. I don't believe that the German industrial potential could compete with the Americans. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. They didn't fully mobilize until late in the war |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. yes and the reality was |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. It's tough to gauge for our tanks |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
85. And required more maintenance, parts and fuel. |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
90. How's this for an unusual project eating up resources. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
98. Recent scholarship tends to disagree |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. what the USA brought to the table |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. That is empirically false |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
55. not when their infrastructure |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
59. The third reich could not easily compete with US industrial production. That is laughable. |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
19. very interesting question |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
20. Liberty ships and Detroit won the war. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
23. You can thank the Allied victory on the USSR. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. +1 |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
67. What about the dead American military personnel buried in Western Europe? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
84. Don't forget that we gave them considerable material assistance. n/t |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
27. 6 Of One Half A Dozen Of Another... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
28. If our Founding Fathers hadn't stood up for liberty, we'd all be speaking Iroquois today |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
93. lol |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
29. The USSR did the heavy lifting against Germany; the USA did most of the work against Japan |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. You're completely forgetting about the 4 million Chinese who died in combat. |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. China wasn't going to defeat Japan though. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Good point about the Chinese. |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
94. Hitler made many blunders. |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
31. We won the battles of WWII against fascism but I think we are losing that war today. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
33. Depends on which theatre. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
39. Without our support |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
42. I figure Russia could have stopped him but I voted US so I can be a phoney patriot on |
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GKirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
43. I think What If scenarios |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
46. No. Our material support certainly helped but |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
47. No |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
48. The Soviet Union played a huge role too but we so did we n/t |
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Puregonzo1188 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
50. A lot of people I know from Russia aren't very pleased with the Americans won the war |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. I also know many Americans who aren't please with the Russians won the war |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. I don't know how any clear-eyed historical analysis can discount the soviet contribution |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. My point is that Russia didn't win the war by themselves |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
86. Russian performance would have been much better..... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. That is wrong. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
52. It was a team effort. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
57. Interesting link.....I think it's pretty obvious the US contributed greatly to the war effort |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
58. They were needed to win the war.... |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
65. No. Someone would've taken care of Hitler eventually... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
69. The Soviets defeated Hitler... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
71. Other: I don't know, either. I think we were a factor, but The Soviets did most of the heavy lifting |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
79. Very_Boring_Push-Poll. |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. I think the question is fairly simple and easy to understand for anyone with half a brain. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
81. Yes, if not for our industrial capability, the Allies would have lost |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
82. It was a US and USSR tag-team that won it. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
83. Who cares? In 2011, the "arsenal of democracy" is in ruins, and we are losing a war vs. Afghanistan |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
87. What if Superman had grown up in Germany instead of America? |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. Yes. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
95. For a second there, I thought my grandfather |
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Baclava (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
96. Guts and glory. They had it all....to the shores of Tripoli |
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