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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:06 PM Original message |
Firefighters union halting federal contributions |
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montanacowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good for them |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yeah - let's teach them a lesson by letting Republicans get even MORE power! |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:35 PM Original message |
How about if the damn Democrats in Washington actually do something |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
49. Oh, like more jobs created in 2010 than in all of the Bush years? |
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Ship of Fools (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. agreed |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
79. I see both sides of this; but, how does one get |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
96. that does not give the erpublicans more power. the Dems are giving repulicans more power. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
97. Quite often, an individual or an organization will give personal convictions a higher priority... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:11 PM Original message |
Good--it's beginning to look more an more like our real power lies in local government. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. Wise to not support those who support them? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What has Congress done for them lately? Besides, all unions would benefit |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Unions would benefit from replacing conservative 'Dems' with PROGRESSIVE Dems |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. THEY AREN'T REFUSING TO SUPPORT DEMOCRATS--they are just targeting local races |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. Like the Unions did in Arkansas in 2010? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. That's the issue right there. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. You're describing what the Republicans have done, not what the Democrats have done. (nt) |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Now you're just talking funny talk. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Really? WHERE have they supported them recently? |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. They do not need you to decide that for them and you aren't qualified to anyhow. n/t |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
89. When I see Democrats call for tariffs, I will believe in them again. |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
80. It always has. That's why the pukes |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Excellent. I'd like to see more unions doing this. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Undermining Democrats? No thank you. (nt) |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Withholding funds from people who aren't helping them? Yes, please. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I agree with you. Continuing to behave like abused wives has gotten us exactly nowhere. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. That's complete and utter bullcrap. My county Party is basically run by the unions. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Well, bully for Michigan. that isn't the case elsewhere--and you sound upset |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. What I'm upset about is the purist idea that unions are ignored by Democratic |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. What on earth do you mean by "purist"? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
91. A purist is someone who expects elected officials to be responsive |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. This article is about the federal level. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yeah, I noticed that too. Interesting word choice. nt |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Indeed. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. First of all, I know that's about the federal level. Second, YOU try getting anything done |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. And what, exactly, is wrong with that? nt |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Nothing! What's wrong is people assume Democrats don't support unions, when Dems DO |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Specifics? What have they done lately (I ask for the SECOND time)? nt |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. For one thing, saving the auto industry - and with it, countless jobs. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Remember the outcry over the tax on "Cadillac" health-care plans? Many of those were union health- |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
68. The Democratic Party Leadership did NOT support Unions... |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Sounds like you got the right thing going on there! |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. It would also help if labor would support progressives primarying blue dogs |
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xphile (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
98. Did you not pay attention to Arkansas? |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
90. Are you complaining? Or are you glad that is the case? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
92. Your county is not the world. n/t |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Then they SHOULDN'T support those who betray them (Republicans)! |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Withholding support does not mean supporting someone else. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Actually, in a way, yes. See: 2010. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Sorry, bud. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. Perfect opportunity to educate. By all means, lay it out. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. As I've said elsewhere in this thread: |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. No, what is being done to strengthen collective bargaining rights, opposing "right to work" laws, |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Undermining Dems ...who don't support them. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. Gentlemen, the rubber has met the road |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. It won't meet the road until they support PRIMARY opponents |
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orwell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. Congratulations... |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. +1,000,000,000! Supporters of this move have a LOT of explaining to do. (nt) |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Okay, but first, why are you threatened by unions? |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Why do you keep falsely accusing me of hating unions? Grandpa was a UAW member |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I didn't say "hate". I said you were threatened by their political power. |
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xphile (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
99. -1,000,000,000,000 YOU are the one who has some explaining to do. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Keeping Republicans out of office isn't the job of the unions. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. This was very well-said, and I thank you for it. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. perfectly stated |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
67. +1 |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
75. +100000 |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 06:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
86. Well said Xithras! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
13. Sounds like they are targeting Right to "Work" laws and I applaud them. If Congressional Dems |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. "Produce something that benefits unions" - like, say, what they HAVE been doing? (nt) |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
16. No money will hopefully make the DLC fleas jump ship to the GOP where they belong. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Look how well that worked out in 2010! |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. I give my money and my vote to politicians who DELIVER. Everyone else can take a hike. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Like I said, 2010. Ryan? Boehner? Toomey? Ron Johnson? Walker? |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. The "or else" card is all you got. And that's a pathetic hand to hold, much less play with. |
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EC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
43. Gee, just what the GOP ordered... |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Some of us were fighting for the unions for what they do. |
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EC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Bull-shit |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
70. We could chicken-and-egg this all day. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
44. Here's your explanation, Scotty (which was in the OP, btw): |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Also, "Schaitberger wants the move to send a message that lawmakers shouldn't take firefighters' |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Should lawmakeers take firefighters support for granted? |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #44 |
87. Not just GOP controlled - there WILL be a fight in MA. The DEMOCRATIC Governor and |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
57. The only way to make them earn your vote is to make them seek it. |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Which is why we must support progressive Democratic primary challengers (nt) |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
63. The national Dems had better put out this fire ... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 05:15 AM Response to Reply #63 |
84. It's already smoldering. It just isn't the story of interest anywhere |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
66. Good...someone needs to wake up the Union-Buster-In-Chief...nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
69. SOLIDARITY!!! |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. That quote of his is chilling... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. That quote also.... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
72. Just a few months ago: George Soros Tells Progressive Donors Obama Might Not Be The Best Investment |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
73. You can count on the Firefighters if they've endorsed you |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
74. It's about time. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
81. GOOD FOR THEM! n/t |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
82. Good for them. |
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LostinNY (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
83. IAFF |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Same here in MA, my husband is also a firefighter and the fight is over healthcare. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 05:53 AM Response to Original message |
85. Can't blame them one bit. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
93. Damn right! nt |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
94. Good for them |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
95. well done!!! Maybe they will hear that? |
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