Did you fall for it?

http://www.alternet.org/story/150767/did_you_fall_for_it_campaign_to_demonize_tsa_workers_designed_to_undermine_largest_unionization_effort_in_decades?akid=6893.233787.VVnse7&rd=1&t=2

... about extreme patdowns were faked?

I fucking doubt it.

...to prevent them from unionizing.

They're trying to pin the blame for the policies of the new Gestapo on the workers. But the right loves the idea of the police state.

going to be willing to admit that they got played by the RW.

you don't feel you needed to read the article either.

And frankly, I find the idea of the TSA unionizing ludicrous. Here's a group of people enabling the destruction of civil liberties using that same system for civil liberties.

I would find it laughable if the whole situation weren't FUBAR.

you didn't even bother to read the article.

Accordingly, I won't give your reply much weight.

And in that same Spirit of Accord I won't really be concerned with how you weight my answer. ;)

Well said.

I noticed that there were right wingers pumping the issue up. I assumed it was to make Obama look bad. Regardless, I don't care if they had some political agenda in pumping up the issue. I don't like the scanners or the grope.

:sarcasm:

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an exception to the 4th amendment, as long as they are reasonable.

I can guarantee you that my definition is far different than theirs.

Of course my definition of a lot of what's in the Constitution is far different than theirs.

of Americans not accused of any crime? Reasonable?

Not under MY Fourth Amendment, Dude.

that's ALL just PART OF THE PLOT!!! It's all Karl Rove!!!!!

is SO damned clever.

...on the issue here.


This discussion isn't about the appropriateness / effectiveness of TSA screening procedures, and whether or not those procedures are Constitutional. That's another discussion.

This is about the employees right to organize.

there are very good reasons for outrage, and solving them need not have a damned thing to do with privatization.

Posts promoting the bullshit meme that "Outrage against the TSA = Having Been Duped by the Right Wing" merit a reminder of our Fourth Amendment and of the many actual reasons for outrage.

sure as hell isn't there. If that had been the intent of the framers then such an exception would have been included.

The authoritarian "interpretation" (aka made up bullshit) of search and seizure is such a distortion that it effectively negates and guts the functional right.
There is no exception, that is false and "reasonable" isn't a line but goalposts on wheels.

This happy horseshit comes from the same corrupted type of mind and liberty destroying world view that has given us the "terry stop", a bullshit reinvention of the law that says search and seizure can be suspended if a cop really feels like it if they cite a "hunch" and if their "hunch" is bullshit than they stipulate probable cause and the system backs it up.

Between "Terry" and checkpoints there is no right to privacy and to be secure in one's person and effects beyond a theoretical exercise that makes us little better than state property in all reality rather than a free people.

Willing and obedient slaves to the machine that pass on less and less self determination and freedom to each generation as fear and distortion are backed into the cake.

A people that wear a collar out of cowardice and a devotion to authority.

Thank you.

Random checkpoints suck whether they're staffed by unionized workers or not.

..... the Repug outrage over it has been an obvious attempt to stop unionizing and privatize the TSA.

and wont walk into a prison environment where i have no control

has nothing to do with rw

The left wing has many folks who don't like some of the security procedures that are at the airports now.
So does the ACLU, which is hard to accuse of being a right wing organization.

Trying to put all those against the body scanners in one box is an epic fail.

Fuck the TSA. And fuck this attempt to spin my disgust. I did not fall for anything except a few essential liberties.

But it is possible that the TSA agents were ordered to do obnoxious pat-downs to:

1. Scare the populace
2. Give the appearance of providing security, and

a distant #123. Create outrage against certain unions... but I doubt it.



For a "Dude" that likes to pretend he looks for horses when he sees hoof-prints and not unicorns, I'd say you got your tin-foil beenie on pretty tight!



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Whether or not the RW is trying to capitalize on TSA abuses for their own agenda is beside the point. THEY ARE ABUSES and the policies/procedures must be changed.

There's no paradox here--both are true (I read the article--the ENTIRE article--earlier today).

but just like the RW Noise Machine, both play to the emotion and succeed.

Comical fail.

One of the most disgusting things I've seen - bashing TSA workers, calling them "perverts" - FFS

No matter how much we posted the truth back then, it didn't matter.

The article contains some great information, but I don't buy the suggestion that progressives unhappy with the TSA procedures were duped. There's nothing at all inconsistent with opposing various TSA procedures and supporting TSA labor. There's no reason that outrage at TSA procedures couldn't be marshaled to draw support for TSA labor--and, in fact, there were several people (on DU and elsewhere) who sought such approaches. But they weren't as organized as the right-wing.

Of course, the article also seems to suggest that, with or without the outrage, there wasn't going to be a great deal for the union either way.

"There's no reason that outrage at TSA procedures couldn't be marshaled to draw support for TSA labor--

Which is what should have happened, not the attacks on labor.

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The reporting is interesting, the argument excusing TSA practices is mo-ro-nic. Embarrassingly so. Low-grade partisan ideological service. Nothing that the authors would have ever written if the TSA policy changes had come under a Republican administration.

As an encore, I expect to hear that opposition to wars (under Obama) is a right-wing ruse to cut soldiers' pay.

One can and should be for a union and against TSA intrusions and x-ray scanners. In fact, that is the only logically consistent combination of views, if you believe in human rights -- the right to organize as workers, alongside the right not to have your body x-ray poked and/or hand-groped without cause.

Insofar as the anti-scanning uproar unfairly blamed the wokers rather than the policy, or distracted the corporate press from coverage of the unionization struggle, that was wrong. (Yeah, right, like the corporate media would have ever covered a unionization struggle if they hadn't been distracted: fuck off. Seriously.) That doesn't mean everyone who was rightly revulsed by TSA policy (set by bureaucrats, not line workers) was the dupe of the right wing.

You wanna know what else is funny? I bet these guys hate "conspiracy theory." The type of logic here (argument based on assuming timing of separate events is not coincidental, "cui bono," and "walks like a duck") is exactly what's decried as such by the bedunkers, when it's something they don't like to hear.

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