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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 12:56 PM Original message |
How the Manning Court Martial Will Proceed |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Selected application of law. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That's irrelevant to the case. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. It invalidates the authority of those that claim to be able to prosecute. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You are incorrect, I'm afraid. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
42. You presume law has meaning, without a bases. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Well, as a realist, for me, what is, is. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. If you say it is not correct. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Since we do not share the same definition of the word "law," |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. We don't need the same definition. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Discussion is useless without some shared definitions. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Actually we were discussing how you define it. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. Military Justice: "Lead the guilty man in for a fair trial and sentencing." |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. It seems that way, sometimes, it's true. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. One big difference is trial by one's peers. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Cout-martial juries for enlisted personnel are composed of both officers and enlisted. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Yup. The enlisted person has peers on the jury panel. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. As I recall, Summary Courts-Martials are conducted by one officer. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Yes. But this will be a General Court Martial, no doubt. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. No doubt. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I have no idea what the end result will be. Truly. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Self-delete, double post. n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. If a defendent does not like their appointed lawyer, they can request/petition for a new one. |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. It's not Captain so-and-so |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. When's the trial date? n/t |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Hasn't been announced. There are hearings that will take place |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. When are the hearings scheduled? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I don't know. The information that Manning has been found |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Oh. I thought you were posting because something was happening n/t |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Nope. I'm posting what will probably happen, based on |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. What statute(s) are you using? What charge(s)? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I don't have the links, nor the UCMJ section numbers. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. If you don't have the charges or statutes, your questions are |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It's a process. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. What good is your opinion on a fact-based trial? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I gave what I believe would be the process. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The burden is on you for making the claim. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Actually, I can post my opinion without that. It happens all the |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. I get that it is your 'opinion'. Do you get that your opinion when |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. OK. How do you think this case will play out? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It would take some research to make a statement. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You'll probably have to wait for the Article 32 hearing for that. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Cool. If I have time this weekend, I will dive in. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I've been rumbling through that stuff off and on for a while now. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. Say, MineralMan, how would these questions apply to the Plame outing? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I do not know the answer to that question. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Thanks! |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I suspect such a case will never be brought. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
49. After you asked that, I went out and did some research. |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. Doesn't matter. The Commander in Chief said he's guilty. What officer is going to overule him? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The court martial panel will decide, based on the evidence |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. The Commander in Chief did not say that |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. Isn't that nice? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. The only orders that are in question here are the orders that |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Of course not |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. It sounds like you have no experience with how courts martial |
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Phoenix63 (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
35. Doesn't make it right. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I'm not arguing whether it's right or wrong. I'm saying |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
43. What experience do you have inside the UCMJ? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I am not an attorney. I have no direct experience of |
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