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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:10 AM
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Is Scorched Earth the GOP's Strategy in Retreat?
Sometimes, I have to wonder if that isn't the case. With no Republican of any character at all coming forward as a Presidential candidate and Republican legislators seeming to be trying to pass bills that would be devastating in their effects, I'm thinking that may be their plan. If they truly believe they're going to lose big in 2012, maybe they're doing their damnedest to leave nothing standing.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:11 AM
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1. Yes. Yes it is.
"If I can't have you NO ONE CAN!!!!"
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:12 AM
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2. Hmm...an apt analogy, I think.
A scary one, too.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:16 AM
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4. Some elements of the American Public are finally seeing their relationship with the GOP as it is
That is, the relationship between the abused and abuser. And they're not the abuser

My dad, who is a lifelong Republican Pro-Fascist Pro-Police State type always said he was a Republican and a Conservative because, and I quote "I am not a victim"

Well dad, I love ya, but you are too a victim

Worse yet, you're reminding me of the "He only beats me cause he loves me" defense...
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 12:21 PM
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15. Has His Opinion Changed At All?
It is scary how many people will go on believing that no matter what happens.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 12:55 PM
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19. Well Carl Sagan said:
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe."

And I think he's right
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:15 AM
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3. Up to a point...
And that point is when it begins to affect their personal wealth or the bottom line of GOP insiders, donors, lobbyists and businesses.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:16 AM
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5. Charge of the Light Brigade...
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:17 AM
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6. Well, yes, there is that, but you can lay waste to much of the
country without materially affecting those people. They've got theirs. Screw everyone else.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:21 AM
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8. Yeah, that's about the gist of it but I think they stop short of total annihilation..
especially in regards to debt ceiling. I think they make deal at the last moment.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:24 AM
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9. I'm not sure about that one. That debt ceiling thing may actually
be the kingpin of their strategy. It's one thing they could do that would assure economic destruction, if that's truly their goal.

I'm actually being serious with this question. I really wonder if it's an actual strategy on the part of some GOP leaders and strategists. Bringing the US to its knees while a Democrat is President would appeal to some of them.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:33 AM
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13. We'll see but I think there will be intense pressure on the GOP leadership from their backers..
once there is a perceptible negative effect on financial markets and business.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:18 AM
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7. It appears to be their strategy no matter which direction they're going.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:28 AM
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10. yes
damn them
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:28 AM
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11. Reptiles only see what is directly in front of them. They are only interested in their next meal.
Consequences are irrelevant to the Republicans and Corporate Executives.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:32 AM
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12. oh most definitely
never thought otherwise. i also was thinking that Walker's idea in WI was to grab all power/money, give it to Wall Street, then come back to the state with a wad of cash and say "see? we CAN solve the economy better than dems." only if you don't mind being a human poker chip, of course.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 12:19 PM
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14. They Think They CAN'T Lose
They own the media, they own the churches, and they own the courts.
They own most of the statehouses, so they will be able to gerrymander themselves even more seats in Congress.
They have killed off the hope that Obama was running on by being the party of "NO".
They have unlimited corporate money. We were outspent by a huge margin in 2010, and it will be far worse next year.

They are abandoning any pretense of decency because they think they are invincible.

Can we prove them wrong? I sure hope so.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 12:29 PM
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16. do you think the more Wisconsin-type rallies happen
the prez starts looking better & better? maybe the national firefighter's union (name?) has it right -- spend the money at state level, let the prez worry about himself. if he waits til next summer, comes out with his comfortable shoes THEN (once the grassroots has really grown), i would think he'd be unstoppable, not only in the election, but in what he could accomplish for the next 4 ??????
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 12:51 PM
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18. How Many People Even Know there Were Rallies in Wisconsin?
The MSM pretty much ignored them, so they were a non-event for most people.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:19 PM
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26. for a while, yeah
but with the town hall meetings, seems to me that msm has been a little more illuminating of late, imo.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 12:46 PM
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17. I liken it to legislative treason.
If Al Qaeda were a bunch of old white guys in business suits, how would their agenda to destroy this country be any different?
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themadstork Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 01:22 PM
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20. I've thought this for a while
Lay waste, blame dems for the destruction, rise to power in the ensuing chaos. Seems like a pretty simple gameplan.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 01:51 PM
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21. I've thought the same thing
I don't think they seriously want to win the White House in 2012. They've managed to do plenty of damage without it and in 2016 they'll blame it on Obama. I've never seen anything like what they have done in the states to dismantle the unions. They know what they are doing, even if they looks like fools doing it.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 02:00 PM
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22. Revenge For Sherman's March To The Sea ???
Maybe.

:shrug:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 02:03 PM
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23. a plausible scenerio me thinks....evidence mounting....grab what ya can and bail...
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Populist_Prole Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 02:40 PM
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24. I believe they're thinking that If they don't do it now, they never will
They are committing themselves totally to their aim. That is, a fascist plutocracy where they are in absolute control. That they are so openly unabashed in their message seems to indicate to me that they are not worried/concerned with alienating anybody, even would-be or even erstwhile supporters. They feel like they have all the "critical mass" that they ever will, and so they're simply using their biggest gun in order to blast away and grab as much as they can / solidify their positions, before their support and influence wanes to the point they become irrelevant.
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SolutionisSolidarity Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 03:02 PM
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25. They aren't in retreat. They are in control.
We have lost everything gained over the last 100 years of struggle. Hell, at this point you can't even call the Democratic Party a left wing institution. It's gone back to the gilded age Democratic Party - one concerned with getting in power merely for the grifting opportunities rather than any sort of ideological conviction. The billionaires club will get all the money, the wars will continue, and every remaining public institution will be uprooted and destroyed, regardless of who wins in 2012. That's not a retreat - that's a victory lap.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:28 PM
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27. Been wondering the same thing myself
either that, or a death wish. They are acting as if the American people don't matter. It's to get all they can get for the wealthy, hit/slash and burn/run.
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