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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
2. I think the GOP convention and that Russian meeting set up more politicians
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:04 AM
Dec 2017

than originally identified as being corrupted. Only that can explain the lock step marching orders the GOP seems to be following.

onetexan

(13,043 posts)
3. In deed
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:36 AM
Dec 2017

All Americans and especially our leaders, need to need these words. The U.S. Is increasingly becoming a fascist state.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
4. republicans are pissing on America and the US Constitution
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:40 AM
Dec 2017

...and they are letting Comrade Casino* and Pooty Poot have their way with it. This is a disgusting betrayal of America and democracy by republicans. Craven, shortsighted, disgusting.


* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
5. Not by himself. He has plenty of accomplices...
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:40 AM
Dec 2017

Every Republican member of Congress, most former Republican members of Congress, Movement Conservatives, Evangelniks, propagandists, ratfuckers, and the billionaires who fund them, Vladdy & The Bots, and the voters they’ve cultivated for decades.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
19. He's too fucking stupid. This is all choreographed
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:54 AM
Dec 2017

by unelected greed mongers that may not even be Americans. Trump's just a fucking quasi-moron tool.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
6. The entire Republican party has turned
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 06:52 AM
Dec 2017

its back on the Constitution. Senators and Representatives are betraying their oaths of office. They have become domestic enemies of the democratic philosophy of government enshrined in the Constitution.

I have never been so worried about the future of our country.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
7. Since many right wingers believe The Constitution was written to benefit
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 07:00 AM
Dec 2017

only a certain segment of the American population, it's "back to the future" bliss, for them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Malcolm Nance is apparently afraid of Charles Koch
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 07:08 AM
Dec 2017

and the rest of the ultraconservatives in the donor class, of course. No surprise. They all are. Nothing but trump, trump, trump. Congress, congress, congress. Ridiculous.

Trump's being used as a tool by far more dangerous people. He's a broken hammer, of course, but their agents retape it every time the head starts flopping and still get use out of it.

The Republican-controlled congress is mostly just a tool of the same people, dysfunctional, incompent, occasionally reluctant like a mule that needs a fire lit under its tail to leap off a cliff, but working for them.

And, yes, it is all part of an attempted authoritarian takeover, and I'm glad Nance is with others sounding the alarm as far as he feels he can without being banned from cable shows.

But for the silliness of "Trump" dismantling the constitution, the president cannot "dismantle" the constitution. The legislative branch can't either.

What the president can do is violate constitutional law, following suggestions whispered in his ear or broadcast on Fox. Before this, only conservative state governments have (all too often) flouted it to this outstanding degree.

Importantly Trump can also approve the dismantling of the executive branch of the government, with a great deal of input from the huge seditious plot Nance is not talking about. Almost all his appointees were chosen by the people behind this and are very busily dismantling, and also disabling what can't be dismantled, like putting bleach in all the gas tanks, holes in the oil pan, etc. Some of that requires breaking the law, which is what Obama's group is watching for, but much is within the scope of authority.

ancianita

(36,081 posts)
13. Charles Koch made his intentions clear over a decade ago: minority rule, and the end of
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:37 AM
Dec 2017

the U.S. Constitution as any rule of law. Koch teamed up with James M. Buchanan in the 70's to create a libertarian network to train operatives who have long held that this constitutionally ruled country has been a failure in governance, and so must, in stealth, be overturned into the Koch/Buchanan libertarian restructuring plan.

My greatest hope is that the Mueller investigation also leads to charging him with something, anything, that will weaken his wholesale buying of democratic systems -- elections, congress people, anything.

Thanks for the clarity of your post.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. I suspect Koch takes pleasure in breaking laws he
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:30 PM
Dec 2017

considers himself above, judging by his several-decade history, and I'd also love to see him and others in his family in prison.

But there are a bunch of others every bit as bad, if not quite as powerful currently, we really need to break this whole new plutocrat class that sprang up. And I mean break as in destroy. Just repealing money in politics isn't enough. The rotten apples among them are subverting all our systems to break our power over them, not just our chosen form of government.

We can have democracy, or they can do what they want with what will be their country. They're proving that is the choice.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. He's the leader of a huge pack he put together. It's only
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:55 PM
Dec 2017

my anal self that requires me to not throw all politically active extremist billionaires in with them. More names show up, though, the more you follow the links good investigators post, then links to sources they believe credible, etc.

Whatever. Over 700 fabulously wealthy ultraconservatives were counted flocking to the meeting the Kochs held after Obama was elected, and I'd love a good estimate on how many today.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
14. The GOP said the same thing about Obama, every day...every time
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:50 AM
Dec 2017

Obama buttoned up his tan suit or put on his flag pin. Now that there's a real, serious, actual threat, these warnings fall on deaf ears.

They literally wanted to impeach Obama for 'trashing' the constitution when the WH extended the ACA signup period due to computer problems.

liberalla

(9,249 posts)
18. Excellent clip and comments in this thread - thank you everyone.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:35 PM
Dec 2017

I want to watch/read thru again... I'm very distracted right now and know I missed stuff. Thanks again.

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
20. Nailed it
Wed Dec 20, 2017, 07:24 AM
Dec 2017

I wish I could ask a Trump supporter how they feel about the seven words Trump his banned. To me this is the most frightening part. What’s next, the thought police?

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