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US outnumbered 14 to 1 as it vetoes UN vote on status of Jerusalem
Nikki Haley furious over resolution, describing it as an insult and saying US wont be told where it can put its embassy
US vetos insulting UN vote over status of Jerusalem video @ link
Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem
Tuesday 19 December 2017 05.46 EST
First published on Monday 18 December 2017 14.06 EST
A UN security council resolution calling for the withdrawal of Donald Trumps recognition of Jerusalem as Israels capital has been backed by every council member except the US, which used its veto.
The unanimity of the rest of the council was a stark rebuke to the Trump administration over its unilateral move earlier this month, which upended decades of international consensus.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/us-outnumbered-14-to-1-as-it-vetoes-un-vote-on-status-of-jerusalem?CMP=fb_gu
dchill
(38,505 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)declaration 22 YEARS AGO. Why is the UN whining about it now?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)Resolutions don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things. No US President has AFAIK ever publicly proclaimed it as such nor discussed moving our embassy there, which seems to be a much bigger deal.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)a resolution. And yes, that resolution also talked about moving the embassy - as has every single president or presidential candidate has done since then. Why the angst about it now?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)basically being outspoken and "in your face" about it in a way that nobody else has been? Because Trump is actually trying to DO something about it? Who really cares why? The point is that Trump is being a douche to the rest of the world (except Russia)- and Muslims in particular- and the rest of the world (except Russia) is upset and angry about it (and rightfully so IMHO). Plus, he's slinging raw red meat to the Christian fundies in his "base" whom are eating it up.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Him sucking up to his evangelical base. They're the only people he can depend on now. But there is really zero reason people here or at the UN should be runnning around with their hair on fire about this.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)Nobody knows WHAT he is going to do or say next. The whole world right now is holding their breath just to see if Trump is going to light a nuclear war up with North Korea or pick a fight with Iran. There's no reason why people here or at the UN should NOT be running around with their hair on fire about *anything* he does IMHO.
:-/
Is there some reason you're trying to calm everybody down about this or make it out to be no big deal?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)troubling things donnie is doing and has done than this. That's really it.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)the embassy. Trump actually did that, but in a statement saying he WIIL move the embassy. While true that many FUTURE Presidents have said they will move the embassy when elected, NO SITTING PRESIDENT has ever said this.
Not to mention, if it is nothing new and does nothing, why do you support it as it HAS caused angst in the world. US policy has long been that this should wait until there is a peace acord and Jersalem is a settled issue.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)out and quote me where I said I support this, we can continue this conversation.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)The Democratic platform for the last three general elections says the same thing.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)that it can't build an embassy in Jerusalem. If Trump succeeds in building it, it will surely become a target as so many American embassies have in the past. And when that day comes, someone needs to replay Nikki Haley's comment in the aftermath of the 1 to 14 vote. The casualties will be hers and Trump's legacy.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)of the blame on the terrorists that would attack the embassy. I mean, heaven forbid they behave like human beings.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Once we realized our embassies became targets, we began to shut them down in volatile areas BECAUSE terrorists would target them. Now we're putting one in, in an area that could easily create a scenario for World War.
Terrorists are a fixed factor. The only thing we have control over, is eliminating easy targets for them.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)an embassy in Jerusalem would be any more of a target than the one in Tel Aviv. The security would be stellar either place and giving into the terrorists by moving or not moving an embassy just hits me the wrong way.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)denominations that are already in strife?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but I don't see your point. Why would one be in more danger than the other? And why give into those who threaten violence? Doesn't that give them license to threaten violence every time they don't get what they want?
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)If you are underwriting the safety of civilians and American diplomats and soldiers, I think there is no harm in being prudent.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I haven't taken a position on this here. I'm just pointing out this was decided and declared by the US government long ago - this is not new. I'm decidedly not in favor of giving into terrorism - that goes for anywhere, including Israel.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's almost always everyone vs. US/Israel.
malaise
(269,054 posts)moondust
(19,993 posts)La-di-da! That's sooooo old!
We want stuff and we're takin' it!