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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:50 AM Dec 2017

The deficit will be much larger than anyone has estimated.

Because the Republican plan does not close any loopholes.

Also, Republicans are spending money on some programs, such as child credits and raising personal deductions that will dramatically increase government spending.

Add to that the huge tax cuts for the wealthy and lowering the top tax rate and the Treasury will be suffocating for lack of oxygen. (money)

We will clearly see the direction we are going with the deficit by 2020. It will triple or quadruple by 2024.

The rosy scenarios about growth and jobs will not materialize the way they have been predicted.

I am not an economist nor an expert on monetary affairs but that is my prediction.

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democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. This is what happens when we have a corrupt wall street Treasury Secretary and
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:56 AM
Dec 2017

a criminal Congress. Banana Republic third world nation status here we come!

unblock

(52,253 posts)
2. agreed, i don't think they're taking into account that people will adapt to the new loopholes.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 08:57 AM
Dec 2017

my boss, for instance, who thinks this tax plan is ridiculous and very much opposes it even though he would personally benefit by quite a bit, has already said that if it passes he'd probably set himself up as a pass-through entity like donnie, lowering his taxes even more.

that won't do anyone one bit of economic good, except that it will make a multi-millionaire even richer and deprive the government of much needed revenues at a time when the deficit is huge and the economy is doing fine.

i think this tax bill is full of unproductive incentives like that.

stupid on many levels.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
8. really, the idea that millionaires aren't hiring because they don't have enough money is idiotic.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:57 AM
Dec 2017

people hire when hiring turns a profit. what percentage of that profit the government takes doesn't change *whether or not* hiring is profitable, and therefore has little impact on the hiring decision.

like many companies, we will simply dividend out cash to shareholders.

shareholders, in turn, will do what they do when they get even more money, typically reinvest, quite likely overseas.


the idea that this will lead to more hiring is stupid, especially when we're near full employment.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
9. Yep
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:10 AM
Dec 2017

My post was sarcasm. I still don't understand why the hands up CEOs about reinvestment that led to no hands did not get more airplay.

In some ways I think the resistance to the tax plan by the Democrats is cynical. If I had the resources, I could come up with a much better plan. Hell most of the posters on DU could as well.

The Democratic leadership likes being given a sword to use to acquire power in the next election. I just want decent governance.

rock

(13,218 posts)
5. And as no effort is made to pay down the debt
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:02 AM
Dec 2017

The bigger the debt gets the faster the debt grows. Duh.

JCinNYC

(366 posts)
6. Just wait
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:11 AM
Dec 2017

Til they pass his long awaited infrastructure bill equipped with provisions for southern border wall - and then gut SS+Medicare.

You think 2.2 Trillion is a lot of money.

I'm betting we end up at 4T when this is all over.

And then there will be no choice but for a democratic administration to raise taxes (doesn't matter on who) and the old favorite "tax and spend" and "blowing up the deficit" memes will quickly emerge from republican mouths.

No way to even talk about - health care, student loans, college tuition, SALT deductions, etc. They are baking this in so there is no way out. At least, no easy way.

That's what you get when 62 million Americans are so brainwashed that they voted for a misogynistic, ill-tempered, conman - who btw, is just as brainwashed by fox news as the rest of them.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
7. This is how the republicans plan on killing social security, medicare,SNAP, meals on wheels,
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:26 AM
Dec 2017

any social program you can think of.

They want their Randian paradise of the 1% absolute rule over this country. You will be rich and free or poor and a slave, period.

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