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Mueller may have multiple sealed indictments that include Trump himself, and Trump and his Russia conspirator friends are blissfully deluded in thinking they will all get cleared, and may be even get flower baskets from Mueller for Christmas.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)range from some very "out-of-touch"/"out-of-their-league" attorneys to desperate attempts to prevent catastrophic action to (I suppose) some horrific plot we've not even considered that would render all of this moot..
Regardless, he may be the ONLY one experiencing any level of "bliss"
George II
(67,782 posts)getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)they are very, very, good at what they do, and they work for the orange groper.
Still, they may not be motivated to offer legal advice, maybe just prepare briefs on request. But they are probably 100x more qualified than his private attorneys.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)I would imagine as you stated, that they provide advice on filings and procedure when requested, though they are likely staying as far away from the whole investigation as they possibly can. I know I would limit (and record somehow) all of my interactions with that snake just as a CYA.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)behind
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)2naSalit
(86,647 posts)byronius
(7,395 posts)Very apt cut.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)for things to come together. You have Grand Juries,Court Docket's that need to be taken into consideration.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)They keep on being mentioned here, and it's not clear to me that those indictments are anything but a figment of imagination.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)People are going by docket numbers. There is a system called Pacer which the courts and attorneys use to track cases moving through the courts. Anyone indicted will have a pacer docket number, even if the case is sealed for some reason.
So people have looked at the cases that were unsealed and noticed that there other, sealed indictments, with sequential docket numbers either before or after the ones that were unsealed. So if the page indictment was say, record number 100, but there were six sealed records from 101-106, you could guess they might be related, or at least entered at the same time by the same prosecutor.
The problem with this guessing is there are usually a large number of sealed indictments in the system at any time. They could be completely unrelated, or they could be indictments muehler really is holding as secret.
One other clue is that one of the charges against mannafort was labeled something like Amendment B. So people are guessing there is an amendment A out there which hasn't dropped yet.
It's all tarrot card reading.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)Is there a time limit on how long an indictment can remained sealed? If not unsealed does it just go away after a while? Why would an indictment be sealed in the first place?
Since no one has any idea what is in those sealed documents (would court clerks have read them? Not that I expect they'd leak anything) it's all endless speculation.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)But they isn't sayin nuttin.
The grand jury would know if they are gj indictments. The clerks, prosecutors, and judge would know. Even rosenstein would know since he (I think) has to approve indictments. And that means his staff would know.
But the system is designed to keep this stuff secret. It sometimes leaks, but not too often.
It does make you wonder though. If any indictments are against trump, I would think "someone" would have blabbed. People would tell their spouses about it for sure. Grand Juries are just people with families.
Someone would have blabbed about something like that. It is just too powerful a factoid to stay bottled up for long.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Four sealed indictments were issued between and at the same time as the Manafort and Papadopoulos public indictments at that Virginia courthouse.
Since then there have been other sealed indictments that circumstantially may connect.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)While this isn't especially current, I found an article suggesting 4 sealed indictments exist that might be Mueller's:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/22972/mueller-not-done-federal-court-docket-shows-four-emily-zanotti#exit-modal
Of course that's just speculative.
Then there is the transition email haul.
http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/ace-sleeve-mueller-2/6700/
Of course that's just a Palmer Report article expounding on an Axios scoop. I'm not inclined to let that ride by itself as proof, either. Additionally, the article implies the threat of indictment, not existing ones.
"Sealed indictments" are by definition secret, so at some level it's a "figment of imagination" or "wishful thinking" may be as good as it gets until something is unsealed. There is some reason to be hopeful based on the news that is coming out and the notion that Mueller and his team know way more than we do. Only time will tell.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)I am reminded constantly of Fitzmas.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Palmer's republishing is reliable. Their speculation: not so much.
Axios is well connected to Washington VIPs. Founded by the founder of Politico, but still rather new. People tar Axios with the Koch brush, but it seems to be a silent investment with little or no influence (along with other investors).
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)bdamomma
(63,875 posts)is a dedicated patriot!!