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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:40 PM Dec 2017

Hard Times In Trump Country

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/16/hard-times-in-trump-country/

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Jamie Stewart voted for Donald Trump, but she thinks the president is a “jackass.” She doesn’t really love to talk about what he’s doing or why she voted for him.

“They should take his phone away from him,” she says. “He posts stupid shit all the time.”

In a series of interviews that stretched over a year, Stewart was ambivalent when pressed about the president’s accomplishments or any promises he might have kept. “I don’t really pay attention,” she says. “I don’t have time to give a shit.”

Since Trump astonished himself and the world on election night last year, observers have scrambled to figure out people like Stewart, Middle America’s “white working class.” Why did they vote as they did? And were they going to do it again?
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Hard Times In Trump Country (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2017 OP
Vote in haste, repent in leisure. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #1
She sounds nice...n/t monmouth4 Dec 2017 #2
"I don't have time to give a shit" ... ok steve2470 Dec 2017 #3
Yep, and these bad citizens should remember not fooled Dec 2017 #24
Jamie Stewart, you are the jackass for voting for him over an extremely qualified candidate. SunSeeker Dec 2017 #4
Do they understand trump is a symptom? Any vote for ANY gop automatically harms them Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #11
but she thinks the president is a jackass. syringis Dec 2017 #5
That's sad. Unfortunately, most of them would vote for Trump again tomorrow. Hoyt Dec 2017 #6
By law I'm required to remind folks how hard the Putincept shilled for Trump Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #7
It's like Morning Joe, but with onion domes . . . hatrack Dec 2017 #27
Their excuse is.......... BlueJac Dec 2017 #8
The dems should not spend one minute trying to get their votes Botany Dec 2017 #9
If you have a problem with interracial dating/marriage yes you are an ignorant racist nt maryellen99 Dec 2017 #13
Yes-- let's not waste our time with them dawg day Dec 2017 #17
+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #19
Airtime underpants Dec 2017 #10
Meh, another "Hillbilly Eligy" GusBob Dec 2017 #12
First watching Fox Nuze turns you into a Fucking Moron. mackdaddy Dec 2017 #14
Until they vow never again to vote for any Republican... Orrex Dec 2017 #15
" ...will nevertheless find some way to pull the Red lever in 2018 and 2020." Botany Dec 2017 #20
That's five deadly truth-bombs, alas Orrex Dec 2017 #21
Don't forget no. 6. . . Stargleamer Dec 2017 #29
I thought that was a really interesting article renate Dec 2017 #16
"Even if he does something good, they portray it in a way to make it seem negative against him." dalton99a Dec 2017 #18
having a hard time mustering sympathy. irisblue Dec 2017 #22
good article...worth the read...n/t bluecollar2 Dec 2017 #23
This makes me feel hopeless about ever reaching them. mainer Dec 2017 #25
And 'Trump Country' is of course...West Virginia. Bingo. Synonymous. appalachiablue Dec 2017 #26
No sympathy. Just contempt like they have for Boomerproud Dec 2017 #28
These idiots fell in love with Trump's white Alpha male persona. IluvPitties Dec 2017 #30
It's worth noting that Trump received over 62 million votes. kentuck Dec 2017 #31
WELL fuck her.. samnsara Dec 2017 #32
"I dont really pay attention, I dont have time to give a shit" Afromania Dec 2017 #33
i'm so sick of these articles. Takket Dec 2017 #34
Election Results 2016: Presidential. Lest we forget. appalachiablue Dec 2017 #35

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
3. "I don't have time to give a shit" ... ok
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:45 PM
Dec 2017

So she can't look at her phone on a work break ? While chilling in front of the mindless TV stuff ? It takes a minute to scan headlines and read the really important stuff. At least do that much.

You can tailor Google news search so you can get the topics you really want. It works great, not perfectly, but great.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
24. Yep, and these bad citizens should remember
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 01:49 PM
Dec 2017

that it takes a lot less time to stay informed than to suffer under GOPee policy.

Just one example: students who don't think politics matters and then spend decades paying off student loans. Those loans didn't fall from the sky or weren't an act of dog, they exist because of specific policy decisions made by politicians.

And anyone who doesn't understand what is happening in this country and why and who tunes out politics is a bad American and has no right to fly the flag, swagger around proclaiming how great this country is, etc. etc. etc.

Ignorant dumbasses together with venal politicians got us in this mess.

Voters can get us out of it, e.g. the black women who were instrumental in electing Doug Jones.

SunSeeker

(51,572 posts)
4. Jamie Stewart, you are the jackass for voting for him over an extremely qualified candidate.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:45 PM
Dec 2017

You fucked yourself, and you fucked the whole country.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
11. Do they understand trump is a symptom? Any vote for ANY gop automatically harms them
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 01:44 PM
Dec 2017

and I dont think they get it , still

syringis

(5,101 posts)
5. but she thinks the president is a jackass.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:48 PM
Dec 2017

Thinks ? Not sure yet ?

What else does she need to be convinced ?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
7. By law I'm required to remind folks how hard the Putincept shilled for Trump
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:52 PM
Dec 2017

by telling everyone daily that Hillary was no better than Donnie, and in many cases much, much worse...

So seeing them pretend to give a shit about the state of affairs now rings a bit hollow.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
8. Their excuse is..........
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:52 PM
Dec 2017

I always vote Republican. That is how simple these people are, and they will never admit a voting mistake! This country is in sad shape. My neighbor watches Fox news all day long every day.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
9. The dems should not spend one minute trying to get their votes
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:53 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Tue Dec 19, 2017, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Today, she doesn’t regret her decision, nor does she try to justify it or apologize for it. “It just seemed like the
best choice,” she says. “Better than Hillary, that’s what everybody was saying, so that’s what we went with. A
lot of my family was just like, put anybody in that office other than that bitch.”

snip

“I don’t want a bunch of backlash online of people calling me just an ignorant, racist, redneck. I’m a quiet, small-town girl.”

snip

“We were raised as you don’t mix races. You know what I mean?” said Stewart. “White people’s with white people. Black people’s with black people. That’s how I was raised. And still to this day, if me and Dozer weren’t together and I’d date a black guy, my family would disown me.”


******
Dems should make sure that all the votes are counted and that people have the right to vote too but don't spend one
minute trying to get these people's votes. They are gone. Only after the dems take back power and work for the common
good will some of there people vote blue but many are gone for good.


BTW right across the Ohio River from the most red neck town in America, Pomeroy, OH

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
17. Yes-- let's not waste our time with them
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:50 PM
Dec 2017

I agree. They are so reactive and resentful (I know many of these as I grew up around there), and if you treat them well, they manage to see that as "elitism". They think trying to make it possible for them and their kids to get a good education means "you think I'm stupid?"

Trump knows exactly how to manipulate them, and it's actually about treating them with contempt. We're not going to do that, and we're not going to do his patented "I'm with you, which is why I'm cutting taxes for ME" lying routine.
The best thing that can happen to them is to be defeated so that they get the Democratic programs and the help that they can then hate and resent.

I'm really tired of them and their resentment. Resentment is the worst motivation of all-- completely counter-productive- so they should not be treated as if they are rational actors. And I don't care if that sounds "patronizing". Everything sounds patronizing to them.

And I remind myself that most of Trump's voters are just the "Always vote GOP" types who are also pretty unreachable, if considerably more rational.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
10. Airtime
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:56 PM
Dec 2017

The main factor was him being on the air - full speeches and often "pre-game" coverage - constantly. Want a simple comparison? Snuggles a few years ago. Headshaking bad commercials but they were everywhere. Priced perfectly for joke/gift exchanges at work, they sold tons of them. Where I worked at the time there were about 50 employees and 5 Snuggies showed up at the gift exchange. That's 10% coverage.

mackdaddy

(1,527 posts)
14. First watching Fox Nuze turns you into a Fucking Moron.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:02 PM
Dec 2017

Everyone in the area still has a dish and gets Fox Nuze.

The "recovery" never made is down here, and there are no real jobs, but lots of empty factories.

Drug use is pretty rampant, too. Idle hands and all...

Over 95% white in most area here, so they can blame them "dark" people like Obama.

Pretty much the way 2/3rds of rural Ohiostan rolls.

(Oh and them liburls want to kill all the babies, and take away our guns..)

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
15. Until they vow never again to vote for any Republican...
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:06 PM
Dec 2017

Last edited Tue Dec 19, 2017, 04:27 PM - Edit history (1)

they will remain idiot racist fuckheads.

I am greatly confident that all of these allegedly remorseful Trump voters--who were either too stupid or too willfully ignorant to see what was obvious to everyone--will nevertheless find some way to pull the Red lever in 2018 and 2020.

Let me hear that they have renounced their stupidity and learned from it. Otherwise they don't regret their stupid Trump vote; they regret being called out for their stupidity.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
20. " ...will nevertheless find some way to pull the Red lever in 2018 and 2020."
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 03:34 PM
Dec 2017

5 reasons that will happen:

1) Guns Russia was working w/the NRA in 2016

2) Jesus

3) Women, blacks, & hispanics

4) The gays

5) Where they get their information

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
18. "Even if he does something good, they portray it in a way to make it seem negative against him."
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 03:04 PM
Dec 2017

Yeah, negative news about the president is Fake News!

Betcha she'll vote for Trump again.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
25. This makes me feel hopeless about ever reaching them.
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:29 PM
Dec 2017

The rest of the country should just move forward and forget about people who keep trying to drag us backwards.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
26. And 'Trump Country' is of course...West Virginia. Bingo. Synonymous.
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 02:31 PM
Dec 2017

With a total population of 1.5 million those backward animals are responsible for the election. They done it for sure. Lol.

Boomerproud

(7,955 posts)
28. No sympathy. Just contempt like they have for
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 03:06 PM
Dec 2017

Everyone and everything that isn't part of their isolated world.

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
30. These idiots fell in love with Trump's white Alpha male persona.
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 03:17 PM
Dec 2017

They love the racist, jingoistic attitude that reinforces their believe in their own superiority.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
31. It's worth noting that Trump received over 62 million votes.
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 03:20 PM
Dec 2017

And he didn't get all of those in West VA and Kentucky.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
32. WELL fuck her..
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 03:48 PM
Dec 2017

..she doesn't have time to pay attention to what he does? She should have taken time to do her homework before she voted for the idiot. Lazy.

Afromania

(2,769 posts)
33. "I dont really pay attention, I dont have time to give a shit"
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 03:55 PM
Dec 2017

Thanks a whole fucking lot for taking yourself out there and voting for the obvious racist, misogynistic, grifting, sex offender for... fucking... "reasons"...

Merry Christmas to everybody that didn't do what happened in the previous sentence. I hope you guys can let that idiot and his mess slip your minds for at least one day this year.

The other 62 million plus that did the above can just go right ahead and have a not so Merry Christmas finding the time to "give a shit" because it's the only way.

Takket

(21,577 posts)
34. i'm so sick of these articles.
Sun Dec 24, 2017, 04:01 PM
Dec 2017

i'm STILL waiting for an article about Clinton voters and how THEY WERE RIGHT the whole time.

the media treats trump voters like they are the only people whose opinions matter.

it is disgusting

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