General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy isn't is a CRIME
to lie if you're a politician?? I've been wondering about this my whole life.
Throck
(2,520 posts)Ever been interrogated by the police?
unblock
(52,253 posts)but then, the media has failed miserably on that mark.
they much prefer making sure republicans always get to say whatever republicans want to say, then blame democrats for letting the republican lies stick.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)It's like answering the question of "where are my keys?" by saying "in the northern hemisphere." Not incorrect, but not helpful, either.
If we can require elected officials to swear an oath of office, then there is no reason at all that we can't require truthfulness to be part of that oath.
unblock
(52,253 posts)At a minimum, youd have to get much more specific.
Lies from mere candidates campaigning for office vs. government officials making official statements, e.g.
That said, how do you define a lie, and worse, a harmful lie vs. a well-intentioned lie?
Once upon a time, I held a security clearance. I was told certain truths, then told certain lies that I had to tell if I couldnt avoid the topic. To tell the truth would have meant a fine and/or imprisonment, in the name of national security.
Its very messy to try to get it right. Worse, its a recipe for bad actors to try to get it wrong.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Every word uttered while in the performance of the duties of the office must be truthful.
I'm not interested in quibbling about this, because it will go nowhere. But I find it intolerable that we are unable to hold elected officails to any standards of behavior or honesty short of the infrequent and largely impotent voting process.
unblock
(52,253 posts)i just don't think making it illegal is the right solution.
figuring out how to buy or shame the media into some sense of civic responsibility is my hope.
foxnews is a lost cause, but i have hope that the rest of the media could eventually learn to be far more dismissive of their b.s. and the b.s. that republicans tout.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)"The press" enjoys more or less explicit constitutional protection, on the assumption that they'll use their power to hold the government accountable, but that seems to happen less and less as we go along.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sad to say but that is the truth. We do not want to be held to a truthfulness standard at any point.
haele
(12,660 posts)Truthiness is warm and fuzzy. Truthfulness requires thinking and can hurt.
Americans are very risk-averse.
Haele
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The whole thought of a political truth police is frightening.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)Who writes the statutes? Congress. What other answer is necessary?
onenote
(42,714 posts)Judges appointed by politicians?
We have a First Amendment for a reason.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He seems to have a great handle on the truth. Or maybe Ted Cruz. He can determine if it is a scientific or divine truth.
delisen
(6,044 posts)to get elected.
Media has been an enabler on this-treating lies as no big deal
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Look at polling before the election on this topic.
It's not the media. It's the American people.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)And lots of politicians to craft that law, and even more to support it.
Response to fescuerescue (Reply #17)
WillowTree This message was self-deleted by its author.
writerJT
(190 posts)Especially considering how broadly people define the word lie when it comes to characterizing something said by someone on the other side.
sad but true.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)or to spouse, or to a kid about Santa Clause..... Agreement on which lies should be criminalized is an impossible fool's errand.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)What a question!
mythology
(9,527 posts)Take for example Obama's statement "if you like your insurance, you can keep it". Clearly true on average, clearly not true in other cases.
Or take the current Republican tax bill. Most economists scoff at the idea that it will pay for itself. But a small percentage argue it will. Do you only listen to the majority? What happens if instead of 90 10 split you've got a 55 45 split from experts?
What happens if a politician says he or she will enact policy A when running for re-election, but can't get the bill passed? Is that a lie? Is it a lie if a Democrat in a very blue city in a red state says he or she will enact policy A knowing that they have zero chance of making it happen?
It's far harder than you seem to realize.