They gave all the money to the rich, destroyed working people


success

when they vote.

as pseudolibertarian billionaires pretend to see it, of course. If Charles Koch and his alliance get their way, today's mess will be seen as part of Kansas's golden era in comparison, lost to the past.

That makes me sick to my stomach.

they've been working to subvert government in many more, not just those. And, of course, they're just very big guys among thousands of donor-class conservatives doing the same thing around the nation.

Too bad we can't get rid of their think tanks and demand that lobbyists no longer write our new laws. This new government, which I call the shadow government, will eventually win because they are so good at hiding until it is too late for us to do anything.

I was going to buy stock in pitchfork companies, but I think it' too late.

We have to destroy this new plutocracy that's taken power since the election, or else.

Fwiw, I personally wouldn't use the term shadow government because it's already taken and used against us. Those were the secret police agents who spied on tourists and citizens in the Soviet Union, pretending to be hotel clerks and such. The right is using the term to claim a hidden Democratic Party government actually took over long ago and is spying on people and destroying the country, not them.

I was thinking of those lurking under a cloud and telling our so-called congresscritters what to do and how to act. I was thinking the Kochs, Putin and his entourage plus the rich donors who are pulling their chains.

I can't imagine this country can survive until 2018's election.

They've been getting it rewritten as much as possible, but they are still very, very far from safe from it.

Speaking of writing law, I just learned yesterday that Citizens United puts no restriction on where dark-money donors get their money. Thus it's perfectly legal for American citizens to take vast sums of money from people connected with the Kremlin and invest them in PACs to elect Republicans or further their goals in other ways. So turns out they have been.

last fall bragged about have a foot print in all 50 states,this was in conjunction with their opening of their 50th Legislative (ALEC)Public Information Office in Reno,Nevada. Believe the Koch Family Influence goes back to the Thirties with Fred Koch being one of the founders of the John Birch Society.

to google on that family and many others of their type who've been busy subverting our nation for decades now. Regarding old Fred's legacy, she has some doubts that his sons are genuine libertarians as they claim. Dad, of course, was a great admirer of the Third Reich's fascist efficiency.

The Koch alliance is believed by some experts to now be more powerful than the Republican Party, but since so many in congress dance on its strings, I can only wonder how they separate them.

There was a book that covered Fred Koch's inner Circle of Friends and Business Associates of the Late Thirties and Early Forties. First Oil Refineries in Russian,three Refineries in Hitler Germany,attempted over through of FDR with the help of Mellon and Morgan Families.

From a boyhood friend who was a Informational Gatherer for one of those dark agencies,Koch's have their own Intelligence Agency staffed in every Country on the Planet.

places, believe it. Wouldn't you think Exxon and other big energy companies, and other internationals, would have much the same, spying on each other and everything else?

have the best Intelligence Agency on the Planet. Before Kenny Boy bought the big one in Aspen,a few days prior he bragged about how they new more about the workings around the Glob than any of our Investigative Agencies and that these same Agencies worked with their people to gather Intel. That was on a morning Business Show were he stated those facts.

I just ran to the USPS to mail a Christmas package and had SIRIUS POTUS on while Ryan was speaking. I damned near wrecked my car when I heard some of the incredible lies he told. I only heard the last four or so minutes. When he said that their energy contribution was to open Alaska to drilling....no, make that responsible drilling, that's when I yelled to no one but the birds...at least I hope no one saw me yelling. He must have been to a Koch speaking seminar or he was SO excited about his upcoming windfall, he was into a state of rapture. At least his voice was a couple octaves higher and squeaked from time to time.

Do all the states have an ALEC Public Information Office?

How old are those coots?

stepping up.

I read it was a grandson who went to Texas and arranged for then AG Gregg Abbott to change the law to no longer allow residents to find out what kind of chemicals were in nearby chemical storage facilities. This was after one full of a very dangerous chemical (this one not actually owned by the Kochs) that was right by a school and residential neighborhood caught on fire and came close to killing a lot of people.

Got too much of the "wrong" kind of attention, so the Kochs and Abbott fixed this new problem of public interest before it could get out of hand. Interestingly, Texas has no zoning laws to keep people like the Kochs from storing this stuff right next to where people live, even by schools, and that's how they want to keep it. Word is the Kochs are thinking of Abbott for president soon -- AG, governor, president.

Did this also allow those tanks that blew during the flooding? I never did hear how that turned out. It was hot news for a while and then hushed up.

I'm still boycotting Koch products. It probably doesn't hurt them, but it makes me feel better. It did seem as though they went into hiding and kind of evaporated into thin air.

applications for disaster relief at far higher numbers than white. Governor Abbott should be able to do something about that, but black Texans tend to vote Democrat, like Puerto Ricans. Why give tax dollars to opponents, instead of themselves, when the ultimate goal is no relief to anyone, everyone takes care of himself, and everyone but them pays to keep the roads open.

Like the tax bill -- with those roads, etc., in mind, it eliminates tax deductions for people whose homes have just been lost to natural disaster. It will allow if the president declares them part of a national disaster, but that would at best affect only a very tiny fraction of catastrophic losses every year.

Last I saw, they were still in shelters. That money could have been better spent in home repair.

Failed in Texas before he took it nationally